World’s ‘solar and wind capital’ freezing due to snow ‘blanketing millions’ of solar panels

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  1. Steve N

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    L75, I don't know exactly where you live, but where I live, El Paso Electric hits you with a monthly fee if you have solar panels. So that will need to be added to the cost of the house is on the grid.
     
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    They lock them down and the whole thing freezes. Even planes that they deice it is ONLY to get them off the ground and ABOVE icing conditions not to fly 8 hours through it the thing would go down.
     
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    You didn't have a central fan in the house to circulate the air?
     
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    Absolutely if you are tied to grid then pay your fair share for it and maintaining it.
     
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    Well that extra capacity just doesn't go away. It should be providing that extra they need now. What do you mean they weren't ready?
     
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    Why are you poised to use a massive battery? You can just use the power of the sun during the day to heat up your room, and the insulation will get you through the night when there is no sunlight. In the end, it's just for maybe 2 days that the power grid fails a year, and it's not every year that such a thing happens usually. With 6K you get like 10 solar panels and all the equipment to hook you up, easy.

    As noted before, your entire forest would be cut down if everybody turned to wood stoves.

    And the original point was that you claimed it that left wing dems got it wrong about the polluting woodstoves.
    But they are right, and you know it. You're just pushing around goalposts ever since.
     
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    Not only did Texas renewables fail so did their natural gas and coal fired power plants. The natural gas lines had water condensation frozen in the pipelines preventing the gas flow and the coal was snowed in and frozen together on the ground. The utility just was not prepared for the extreme Winter weather they experienced.
     
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    And snow today ;)
     
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    So the “warming period” includes snow in the south now ?
     
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    I do for my gas furnace, but never had one for the wood stove.
    But then that gets us back to the power problem. :)
     
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    You think someone who lives where it could get very cold only needs a little heat in the day and then nothing at night?

    You're so uneducated on so many topics here that any further discussion is wasting time.

    I'll continue to enjoy my warm home with my wood stove going.
     
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    Well, in Iowa where they get 42% of their energy from renewables they deice them.
     
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    then have two

    I know someone who lives in a 4000 sq ft house, and has two wood stoves for main and only source of heat. Works great.
     
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    Wow, small world, the gorge is in my back yard.
     
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    "Geoff Greenwood, spokesperson for MidAmerican, said the utility wasn't experiencing the same problems as Texas with its turbines.

    "In Texas they’re experiencing ice, whereas we’ve just experienced cold and snow," Greenwood said. "Also, our wind turbines likely have colder operating parameters than many turbines in southern areas.""
    https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...valentines-day-des-moines-weather/4487787001/

    But when those in the Midwest do get those conditions stuff like this.

    "As residents of the Twin Cities awoke on Jan. 29, the first of three straight days of subzero temperatures, about half of the region’s electricity was coming from wind farms dotting the Upper Midwest.

    Wind energy across the Midcontinent Independent System Operator’s northern region, stretching from Minnesota to Iowa, peaked that morning between 9 and 10 a.m. at 11,445 megawatts. Wind farms were churning out about half of the area’s total electric output, according to the grid operator’s hourly data.

    At the time, it was minus 8 degrees Fahrenheit at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Blustering winds made it feel like minus 19 F.

    But grid operators would watch as electricity from wind steadily tailed off during the next day and a half.

    By the evening of Jan. 30, there was less than 550 MW on the MISO North grid, supplying just 2.5 percent of the region’s power. The temperature, which had bottomed out an hour earlier, had fallen to minus 21 F with a minus 31 F wind chill.

    That dip in wind output during last month’s deep freeze is now fueling debate about the nation’s embrace of renewable energy. The polar vortex arrived as calls grew on the left for a “Green New Deal” to transition to renewables and tackle the threat of climate change, all while various state-level proposals to increase renewable energy penetration circulated across the country."
    https://energynews.us/2019/02/27/mi...wns-during-polar-vortex-stoke-midwest-debate/

    Someone needs to walk into King Biden's office and look him straight in the eye and tell him you CANNOT shut down our natural gas industry, we need more pipelines we need to stop subsidizing "green" energy and let the market place decide. The problem is two fold, the failure of the "green" energy and the shortage on natural gas else there would be no blackouts in TX. No whose policies and driven that?
     
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    Dunno. We used a wood burning stove in our hunting cabin and we would be sweating from the heat. Get the room really hot when you go to bed. Wake up freezing in the morning because the fire burned out. Beat the hell out of using tents like we did when we first started hunting. Try sleeping in a tent in 10 degree weather, it can be a bit uncomfortable. Weirdly those days were some of the happiest of my life.
     
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    Where did he propose that? What I seem to get is he's talking about is where HE lives and that there is plenty of fuel for him to use wood. And a good woodstove can heat most of the house. I go real simple and have an ethenol indoor fireplace that I put inside my fireplace

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    About a cup and a half of ethanol will burn about 2 1/2 hours. I turn on my fireplace blower and it blows the heat out into the great room and kitchen and will heat them up plus that gets circulated through the ac/hp system. Plus I would rather sit and listen to some music with a glass of pilsner or wine and look at it but would never do that with a solar panel or windmill.
     
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    No thanks.
    I'll just turn the little dial and save my back for golf.
     
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    And another Trumpist OP takes it in the ass...



     
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    The sleeping part isn't so bad, but getting out of the bag in the morning is a killer.
     
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    Denial is a weak strategy.
    ". . . Frozen wind turbines and limited gas supplies have hampered the ability to generate enough power, according to a statement from ERCOT. . . . "
    Frozen wind turbines, limited gas supplies and rolling ... - CNN
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    5 hours ago — Some of the warmest places in Texas, where rolling power outages are occurring across the chilly state, are inside cars and trucks parked in ...
     
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    Come on yall, I'm a HER
    Yes, we own 40 acres, 36 of which is heavily forested and border thousands of acres of forest land which allows us to take an fallen trees. We've never had to cut down any tree to split. We get what we need with trees that fall on our own property or trees that fall in the road and the country cuts it up and pushes them aside, so that reduces our work.
     
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