You DO NOT run a strategic public enterprise like a business!

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Dejoy's management of the USPS is testament to the concept that we should NOT run a strategic public enterprise like a private business. With a private business, if there are revenue shortfalls, you make cuts. But, with a strategic government run enterprise, you FUND the damn thing, you DO NOT make cuts in services.

     
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    It's deliberate.
     
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    And thus have we grown government to the bloated, unmanageable, incompetent monster it is today.
     
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    How else do you suggest we hold govt agencies to a budget while mitigating waste and inefficiency?

    For example, my little town of 1000 people all live within a 5-10 minute walk or a 2-3 minute drive of the Post Office. So we all have PO Boxes instead of mailboxes at our house. Should we raise your taxes to fund at-home mail delivery here, or is this an acceptable 'cut in service'?
     
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    I agree that the government can be incompetent, but sometimes it is very successful. Medicare used to be efficient and predictable with a 7% overhead. Then it got farmed out to the insurance companies resulting in unpredictable coverage, additional management costs in every medical office, inefficiency and corporate profits. The government definitely did a better job.
    I would like to see some reliable study that would show that private mail service would be better for everyone in the US, not just for those customers that provide corporate profit.
     
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    So a entity should not be held accountable for it's failure to not only run efficiently, but provide timely service to those that have paid extra for their services, but should received even more funds to expend on....what?
     
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    All the government has to do is print more money. No need to raise taxes. As a matter of fact the government should abolish taxes and just print money to fund the government.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Venezuela recently released their 'million $(bolivar) bill.' Its worth about half of one US dollar.

    ...if we do that, I could pay off the last 20 years of my mortgage with an expired can of beans!
     
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    Government did it worse. That is why they turned part B over to the insurance companies. It allowed better coverage and additional benefits in addition to profit for the companies.
     
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    I'll be darned. What did I do?
     
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    without taxes fiat money has no value. we should have a discussion on modern monetary theory.
     
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    Fiat money has no value anyway. All that is required to destroy it is a loss of trust in it. That can happen with or without taxes.
     
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    Medicare was not farmed out to private insurers. Only Medicare Advantage plans are though private insurers.
     
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    Fiat money has no value anyway.
     
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    You vote for people who believe that govt is " bloated, unmanageable, incompetent monster". So it stays that way and doesn't get any better.
     
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    Yeah, throwing good money after bad, is a proven strategy for government enterprises - the taxpayers always have a few more dollars to reward incompetence and mismanagement.
     
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    Of course not. It should be run not for profit, but to provide value to those who fund it. How come for profit companies can provide more value and still have enough left over for profit? Hmmmm.

    The answer is that corporations are held accountable and could never get away with the level of waste and irresponsibility government run services do. UPS does a better job, pays their employees well, and still provides value to customers and shareholders.
     
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    You make it more efficient, OBVIOUSLY, but you don't slow the trucks down, cut their hours, dismantle 600 sorting machines, let mail pile up, like Dejoy has done. A lot of neighborhoods now are aggregating boxes one big stacked box per block/street, so drivers can cover a larger area. That sort of thing.

    But don't let the mail slow down, THAT is the point.
     
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    When I was in the wedding photography business, I shipped my $1000 albums via UPS, but they charged double what the USPS charged, it's just that their damage record was much better. And, at that level of product, replacing a photographic album would be a major hassle, because making them was a major hassle. I had to purchase extra insurance, of course.

    On my $100 and smaller books, I used the post office, because those were easy to replace, ( they contained lithography, and not actual photographic prints) and the Post office postage was about half of what UPS charged.

    Each has their place.
     
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    You basically just answered my question of 'how do we keep a govt agency efficient' by saying 'you make it more efficient'... But how do you do that? If trying to make them be efficient on their own by limiting their budget and cutting programs that they fail to make efficient doesn't work, what do you propose instead?

    It seems to me the USPS is cutting services by aggregating boxes to make delivery more efficient because they're trying to meet they're budgetary restraints. To put another way- the system is working.
     
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    if i put a federal reserve note on the bar, it turns into a beer. that is the very definition of "value."
     
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    I run a family Ebay business and found that the prices are similar, but UPS is more reliable and easier to work with when issues come up. For a document, a stamp is the cheapest way to go. This type of mail is on a steady decline and the need for sorting machines is declining with it. Pensions eat up a lot of what they take in. I don;t believe government employees should receive benefits not available to the average worker in the private sector. They should consider modern methods used by most profitable corporations.
     
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    Except that everything was just fine until postmaster luis's incompetence.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Im laughing as well. I bought UPS stock when Covid hit. Sorry there is no emoji laughing on its way to the bank.
     
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