Russia Warns Britain: "Do Not Tempt Fate"

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  1. Jeannette

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    Seems like tempting fate is what Britain was doing when its destroyer HMS Defender entered Russian waters near Crimea. The ship was warned to leave, and met with Russian jets and a barrage of warning fire, but it wasn't until bombs were dropped in its path that they took the hint and left.

    Honesty though has never been Britain's forte', because they tried to dismiss the report and said they were just passing peacefully through Ukrainian waters, and that Russia's firing was nothing more than an exercise. A BBC reporter on board though said otherwise, something that was proven later by a Russian video.

    The chief of Britain's Defence staff Gen. Nick Carter said that such incidents keeps him awake at night because the slightest miscalculations and they could end up in a war with Russia. I don't know what London's game is in provoking Moscow, but it's backfiring, because Russia will now be conducting missile drills 30 km away from the HMS Queen Elizabeth, the Royal Navy’s fleet flagship.

    "...London initially dismissed Russia’s claims about the warning fire, suggesting its warship was merely conducting an “innocent passage through Ukrainian territorial waters,” and chalking down Russian firing nearby to a “gunnery exercise.” A BBC journalist onboard the HMS Defender challenged the government’s story, saying he did hear firing and that he saw Russian aircraft zipping overhead. Later in the week, the Russian military released footage of the incident."

    https://sputniknews.com/military/20...n-black-sea-in-wake-of-hms-defender-incident/

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    "...On Thursday, government sources told The Telegraph that the HMS Defender’s sail into Russian waters was a preplanned operation concocted by Defence Secretary Ben Wallace, with Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab reportedly expressing opposition to the idea but Prime Minister Johnson squashing debate and approving it on Monday.

    https://sputniknews.com/world/20210...missile-drills-near-british-aircraft-carrier/
     
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    So Britain was lying thorugh their teeth when they stated that no warning shots were fired - thats comforting .. :)
     
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    The damn aggressive Russkies may soon start a 3rd world war. :)
    The West must destroy Russia's economy before it's too late.
     
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    Hasn't the West been trying to do for years, destroy Russia's economy? I mean here the Russians invaded Iraq illegally, overthrew the legit government in Ukraine, bombed Serbia illegally, bombed Libya illegally, has stolen Syria's oil illegally and now wants to start a war with Britain.

    I guess Russia forgot that Britannia rules the waves.


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    I read that there were Ukrainian sailors on the HMS Defender, probably directing them on how far into Russian waters they should go. It's amazing how willing Kiev is to throw the world into war. They are furious that they can't join Nato, even though Russia has told Europe that's it would be a cassus belli - in other words a cause for war.

    One Brit complained about the Eastern Mediterranean being packed with Russian ships, as if Britain has more rights there. Also what about the American and French ships? Do they realize that Turkey is ready to go to war with Greece over its EEZ - and is looking for an excuse?

    Any war with Greece will drag in Cyprus and Israel since they're bound by treaty - or are they blinded to that fact? Anyway the situation in that part of the world is much too hot (thanks to Turkey), for Britain to be messing around. One has to wonder how much of a hold do the oligarchs have on Britain's economy?
     
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    I rarely agree with Putin, but he made a good point at the recent summit. Russia doesn't have it's ships in our back yard. I say we back off. I still believe in assisting the Ukranian people, but they are going to have to accept some risk while we try to make a move to lower the temperature.
     
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    Hmmm....wasn't the First World War a result of everybody involved being "bound by treaties", and all it took was the assassination of a minor Austrian nobleman by a Serbian nobody....like the old Romans said, "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.".
     
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    The biggest mistake is that some Western politicians see Pootin as a normal head of state. But he isn't. Putin is more like a mafia boss, a cold-blooded gangster who gives a sh*t about fairness, decency, and human lives.

    You can't negotiate with blokes like Putin. You have to fight them. :)
     
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    A head of state of a major word power. And it took a lot more than that to start the war, there were something like a dozen times peace was at hand only for something insane to happen and derail things, nobody wanted that war.
     
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    Russian waters or The Republic of Crimea waters? The Russians probably have a military defense agreement with The Republic of Crimea. The catch is that few states (and NATO) recognize The Republic of Crimea and still consider it part of Ukraine.
     
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    The problem with the Ukrainian people, or rather the government in Kiev and their supporters in Western Ukraine, is that they aren't willing to comply with the Minsk agreement and integrate the Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.

    What they want is the land and the wealth in Eastern Ukraine, but not the inhabitants since they know that once the Republics return to Ukraine, they will be in the majority and the fascist government in Kiev will be kicked out.


    Zalensky is under internal pressure by the Nazis to change the Minsk agreement. What he wants is to take over the border with Russia before the 2 Republics are integrated, that way they can start an ethnic cleansing campaign to change the demographics so they can remain in power.

    Anyway Germany and France who were signatories to the agreement said the Minsk agreement is the only way that the country can remain intact - and the US agreed. As for Crimea, I believe 90% the people voted to become part of Russia as protection from the fascist government in Ukraine.

    The Nazis at the time of Maidan, had conducted a pogrom against the protesters from Crimea who supported Yanukovich and 7 were killed and 30 went missing and are presumed dead. The protesters were told that they were coming to Crimea to do the same to the rest of the population.

    When the Crimeans went back, they started the process of freeing themselves from Kiev and asked the Russian troops stationed there to protect them until a referendum could be held.
     
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    Like how? And why? Do U.S. taxpayers need to provide welfare assistance to every corrupt country in the World?

    ^^^^^^^ Well I can see someone doesn't know anything about that part of the world nor it's history.
     
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    Crimea was an independent Republic before it was invaded and annexed by Ukraine in 1992, but now the Crimean Republic is part of the Russian Federation. To Russia an attack on Crimea is the same as an attack on Moscow and Ukraine has to start recognizing that fact. What London did was foolhardy.

    The Hague had voted a few years before with Kosovo that people have a right to their own self determination. This is why the people of Crimea held a referendum. They voted to become a part of the Russian Federation rather than independence, as a means of protection from Ukraine. The people there are Russian; they conduct their business in Russian, go to school in Russia and marry Russians.

    Because of the Hague voting, the Crimeans are legally in the right.
     
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    Any more info about this?

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    Just asking...was the British ship in Russian waters or Crimean waters?
     
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    Britannia is busy miscegenating the British royal family and the rest of what was once White Britain.

    Miscegenation is Genocide !!
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    All of that may be true...I was only pointing out that NATO still considers the Crimea to be part of Ukraine.
     
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    NATO has a death wish!

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    Isn't that written in your Bible, as part of the End of Days?
     
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    BRAVO Putin :applause:


    Kiev Rus = early Russia.
    Ukraine & Crimea is Russia longer than Texas or California
    are :flagus: and not Spanish.

    Those who do not remember history
    just don't know.


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    The Bible and especially the prophetic book of Revelation is filled with symbolic imagery... so it's difficult to know exactly how the end of the age will play out.

    In Revelation the end of the age globalist evil empire is called "Babylon." To understand that, one one must first understand the Biblical and secular history of ancient Babylon that took God's people captive then destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. Ancient Babylon also conquered many other nations and took them captive causing Babylon to become an abominable multi-racial, multi-religious, multi-cultural evil empire. In the Bible, God had ordained ancient Babylon to rule the nations for 70 years. When that time was up, God sent His anointed king Cyrus [Isaiah 44:28, Isaiah 45, Ezra 1] to conquer "invincible" Babylon.

    I find it interesting that Putin's military symbol is a warrior [St George] on a white horse slaying a dragon... it reminds me of Rev 12:7 & Rev 19:11. It also reminds me of Aryan Persian king Cyrus the Great's family seal - a warrior on horseback spearing a [human] enemy being trampled underfoot. White horses were sacred to Cyrus' ancient Aryan Persians, they used white horses in their grand processions and Cyrus brought white horses with him in his conquest of ancient Babylon. Per ancient Greek historian Herodotus, it was an incident with one of Cyrus' white horses that gave him the brilliant idea how to conquer the "invincible" city of Babylon by stealth.


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    Russian waters???....how sweet....spicy shenanigans conducted in waters which Putin can't piss in. HMS Defender is tasked to show just how phucking inadequate the Russians are at doing anything requiring more than 3 brain cells...or anything that requires a map.....
     
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    Cyrus' brilliant idea is used as symbolic imagery in Rev 16:12

    Cyrus conquered the "invincible" city of Babylon "like a thief" - Rev 16:15

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    What I read, was that the Tsar felt honor bound to support the Orthodox Serbs against Austria. His cousin Kaisar Wilhelm in order to stop him said that if he does, Germany will support Austria and the last thing anyone wanted in Europe was a war between Russia and Germany. It was something they always avoided.

    When the German ambassador told Tsar Nicholas II, the Russian troops were already at the front and they couldn't be called back. When the ambassador realized what he had done, he began crying over the lives that would be lost.

    To give you an idea, in one day alone during the Battle of the Somme, the British Army suffered 57,470 casualties. In France, so many men died that they aren't even registered. I believe the deaths averaged about 50 thousand a day.

    The war also led to upheavals and the genocides of the Armenian and Pontic Greeks in the Ottoman Empire, as well as the Bolshevik revolution and the deaths of anywhere from 20 to 50 million. We could say the real cause of the war was that little bluff by the German Ambassador to get Nicholas to back down. No wonder he started to cry.


    What's ironic is that the Tsar so wanted peace in Europe that he even came up with the idea of the Hague which was a precursor to the UN - yet he would end up being the start of a century of warfare.



    It doesn't matter that Nato considers Crimea part of Ukraine for its own political expediency. The only thing that matters is that Russia considers Crimea as much a part of Russia as Moscow, So any attack on Crimea therefore is an attack on Russia and a Casus Belli. (Cause for war).

    London should have realized what Moscow's reaction would have been. Were they testing Russia since the HMS Defender was in full attack mode? It wasn't until the Russians began dropping bombs in front of the ship that it got the message and left. Anyway it was very foolish of Britain.
     
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