AP: Few AZ voter fraud cases, discrediting Trump’s claims

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not asking for non-partisanship here, that is impossible. I am asking for it during investigations.

    Please read before you comment
     
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    be run* by

    Where did you get such silly ideas about "most Democrats" from? I've seen nothing from Democrats to warrant that view.

    Anyway, you can see the problem with so much partisan misinformation and disinformation in the information ecosystem, and thus why certain hostile foreign regimes have been so active in spreading just that sort of thing here and in other western countries -- it has a large segment of the population completely divorced from reality and very distrusting of their own government, and now thanks to Trump, even of the integrity of our elections, a potentially fatal blow to American democracy if it gets bad enough since such beliefs can easily lead to insurrection, civil war, etc. People are radicalized by lies, by disinformation, not by truth and reason, and it's all too easy to get people to believe falsehoods, because they practically do it to themselves. All the propagandist has to do is come up with something that resonates and blast it out loudly and repeatedly until it takes hold, and the more radicalized the target audience becomes, the easier the process also becomes, since they've already slipped some way down that slope of ignorance, anger, paranoia and, above all, tribalism.
     
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    My friend group and family. We discussed what would happen and how everyone would feel if large scale fraud was discovered. Everyone agreed that if they did find some it would decimate the Democratic Party and destroy all trust in government — I think that is why the right is wishing they could find even a scant trace of it.
     
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    Already found in Fulton county and more states will do forensic audits.
     
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    Erm, so you're basing this on the opinions of a few people you got together with?

    I'm not sure most on the Right even want to find actual fraud. I mean, I think most understand very well that there was none, anyway, so they know there is no chance of finding it. They know that their only way forward is to pretend there was and to do what they are doing already, which is write and implement voter suppression laws as a solution to a non-existent problem and, simultaneously, a great big power-grab for their party.
     
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    Yeh yeh, we know. That’s the one! You finally found it (unlike the last 22 times you screamed this is the one)

    Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf?

    Y’all are going to do that so even if you do find it no one will believe you.
     
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    Dup
     
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    Trump lashes out at Fox News after report on Arizona's recount



    Former President Donald Trump lashed out at Fox News in a written statement after the network reported that an Associate Press investigation found only 182 potentially fraudulent ballots out of 3 million votes cast in Arizona during the 2020 presidential election. Former Fox News political editor Chris Stirewalt shares what has surprised him the most about the reaction from Republicans and Trump supporters that Fox News called Arizona for President Joe Biden.
     
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    And on conversations with people here. I am not aware of a poll on the topic.

    I agree. It would destroy this nation but they don’t mind as long as lord cheato is reinstated (by August apparently).
     
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    the reason they want new voting machines is they can’t hack dominion. es&s is in on the vote changing. that’s why collins, mcconnel and graham all won even though double digit polling suggested otherwise.

    accuse the opponent that of which you are guilty.
     
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    LOL, too funny.
     
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    They do love their projection.
    Democrats should definitely investigate

    Think they would agree with a team led by Hillary Clinton? She is about as non-partisan as the cyber ninjas
     
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    Ha. That's another thing they know will never happen. A portion of the people they lie to might embrace the reinstatement delusion, but it's just another pandering lie to the GQP opinion-makers we're talking about.
     
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    You said dems want to EXECUTE people.

    I will, however, accept your APOLOGY for making the outrageously ill-considered, false, and highly OFFENSIVE comment that 'dems want to execute people.'
     
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    The state has to spend millions on machines BECAUSE of the audit, which is turning out to be a bust, and a SHAM.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. There is only one guilty party in this equation, and it is Trump believers in the big lie.
     
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    If people committed this type of fraud they should be. You can take your expected apology and place it somewhere warm
     
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    Executed is over the top. Arrested, charged, convicted, sentenced … sure.
    But not executed. Maybe think about pulling back on that one a little bit. It was hyperbole, I’m sure.
     
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    No. Not hyperbole.
    If someone interferes in the most important part of our democracy putting someone in office that the people did not elect then they deserve the harshest penalty.

    It would take generations for the nation to recover from such a fraud and accept the vote.
     
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    Oh, so now you want to execute people.

    Wonderful!
     
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    Jeezus **** you are complaining that Dems wanted to execute people, and now you want to execute them?

    Give me a break.
     
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    So you don't think voter fraud should be prosecuted?
     
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    Still waiting for Maricopa County to comply with all the subpoena's. They've already been threatenned with arrest at least once by the AZ Senate for failing to do so.
     
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    https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/AZMARIC/bulletins/2e852d0
    Statement from Chairman Jack Sellers On Senate Audit Briefing
    It’s clear the people hired by Arizona Senate leadership to supposedly bring integrity to our elections are instead just bringing incompetence.

    At today’s briefing, the Senate’s uncertified contractors asked a lot of open-ended questions, portraying as suspicious what is actually normal and well known to people who work in elections. In some cases, they dropped bombshell numbers that are simply not accurate.

    What we heard today represents an alternate reality that has veered out of control since the November General Election. Senate leadership should be ashamed they broadcast the half-baked theories of the “Deep Rig” crowd to the world today.

    To Senate leaders I say, stop accusing us of not cooperating when we have given you everything qualified auditors would need to do this job.

    Finish your audit, release the report, and be prepared to defend it in Court


    Rebutting false claims:
    https://twitter.com/maricopacounty/status/1416139688914526208
     
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    And bingo was his nameo
     
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    I think you misunderstood. He was saying that the dems would be willing to fry their own if they were found to have committed fraud.
     
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