AP: Few AZ voter fraud cases, discrediting Trump’s claims

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you think the county should be allowed to make up its own reasons for not complying with lawful subpoenas? If so, is that the position you take for everyone?
     
  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    In general, no, but it is glaringly clear the AZ senate is incompetent, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm on Maricopa's side and they can duke it out in court and we shall see who the victor is.

    To wit:
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1416139688914526208.html
     
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  3. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you figure that out all by yourself? Bravo! Your reading skills must have improved.
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thank you, it wasn't clear. But, 'execute', must we resort to such hyperbole?
     
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where was I complaining?

    Reading comprehension please
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    May I suggest you abstain from egregious hyperbole?

    IS that unreasonable? Strive for a higher level of articulation, and misunderstandings will be fewer

    Thank you.
     
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    It isn’t hyperbole.

    If people committed this type of large fraud they should be charged with treasonous conspiracy and suffer the penalties thereof.
     
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    I’m sorry to read that. I generally have a lot of respect for your posts. You just lost some.
     
  9. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Okay, here are the facts.

    Treason is the only crime defined in the U.S. Constitution. According to Article III, Section 3: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    To warrant a sentence of 'execution', i.e., capitol punishment for 'treason', it can only be a treason committed as defined by the constitution.

    "Aiding and abetting a declared enemy in war".

    Now, Russia is are enemy, in a sense, or they are certainly not our friend, but since we are not at war and we have not declared them as enemy, any claim that those who are giving comfort to Russia should be executed is an unlawful recommendation, and, as such, could rightfully be considered as 'hyperbole'.

    We could charge them with sedition, but the penalty for sedition are fines and up to 20 years in prison. But, that's not 'execution', not by a long shot.
     
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  10. modernpaladin

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    I've no problem with duking it out in court. But I do think its kinda deceptive to be declaring 'they only found such and such' when they havn't seen all the evidence because some of the evidence is being withheld while its being duked out in court...
     
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    Our democracy must be protected at all costs. If someone goes as far as to steal an election and put an individual not chosen by the system into office they deserve the most severe of penalties.

    I generally believe our justice system is too harsh when it doesn’t need to be and not harsh enough when it needs to be.

    I am sorry that you feel my view on this is extreme but I will always be honest on my views.

    Maybe you can change them — what do you believe would be a better punishment for this act of treasonous fraud against the nation?
     
  12. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then by law that is what they should be charged with. I just think it should be much more severe. Again, it is my opinion. I think such a crime could bring about the end of the US as we know it if successful.
     
  13. modernpaladin

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    I agree in principle ...but do you know of any? Sounds like unicorns to me. Even if one existed, it would become (be labelled) 'partisan' the instant it did or did not find massive fraud...
     
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    One that wasn’t screaming fraud immediately after Election Day and with no evidence would be a good start? Wouldn’t you agree?

    One that would allowing partisans from both side to serve as witnesses instead of closing it to the media beside the ultra right wing OANN…
     
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    Was the presidential race the only race on the ballots in AZ?
     
  16. Bluesguy

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    Only by audits not recounts and 200 so far...............

    Was the presidential election the only election on AZ ballots?
     
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    Keep reading and don’t omit details. 200 potential. Not confirmed.

    The presidential race in AZ was the only one you Trump supporters were screaming “fraud” about.
    What other races hold your interest ?
     
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    And SO FAR. I don't recall saying anything about AZ and again was the presidential race the only race on the ballot? Does fraud only occur with presidential elector votes? I care about the integrity of ALL the elections because they are ALL important and many of those are not huge voters and come in very close.
     
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    *sigh*

    Your posts are below:
    You responded to another post that reported 200 possible cases of voter fraud and 4 identified ones( 2 Republican ) in the AZ general election with a "so far"
    comment. You omitted the fact that the 200 were both "possible cases" and then you later feigned interest in all elections in AZ. Now you claim not recalling saying anything about AZ and are interested in the integrity of ALL elections.

    I submit that a lie of omission is still a lie. Further, you are only interested in election integrity where you boy LOST.
    But please, continue. As you and your kind sink to new lows of hypocrisy, you convince more and more voters to vote against you and your kind.

     
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    Do you think detecting 4 fraudulent votes that didn’t change the outcome is worth close to the $10 million these recounts and audits have cost so far?
     
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    For such an unusual election with tons of prima facie evidence, yes.
     
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    Zero prima facie evidence. Lots of toilet paper declarations which the lawyers didn't even read, much less evaluate before going to court.
    Result: 1-60 in lawsuits, 1 lawyer suspended from practice in NY, others facing disciplinary action.

    How much of that $10 million did you pay ? Personally.
     
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    Nothing like going through life with blinders on.
     
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    You shouldn't brag about it. What size do you wear ?
     
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    How much should it cost to audit an election?
     

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