The Climate Crisis Is a Crime That Should Be Prosecuted

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  1. Pred

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    Shouldn't we go after the worst offenders? China and India and some 3rd world nations?
     
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    Where did you get this number from? Did you actually calculate it?
     
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    It was calculate by energy use and required energy output both solar and wind by someone else. Wind and solar cannot do it or keep up with increasing demand. It is literally impossible. Plus wind or solar cannot start a grid if it goes black which has happened a few times in south Australia. The other problem is variability. Wind and solar cannot be relied upon like fossil fuel or nuclear plants. Also nothing is free. Wind turbines lifespan is about 20 years. Solar also degrades and is prone to dust and damage from the weather.

    Another problem with wind and solar are the resources needed to create them. Battery storage requires resources we don’t have but is controlled by other countries.

    Most other green energy requires burning biomass except hydro but hydro is a small part of the pie.

    That is why you see advocacy for nuclear but to keep up we would need to start building plants at something like once a week.

    In the US we have enough fossil fuel resources to last 300 years.
     
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    Well, you might want to double check your source.
    Right now Ercot is showing Texas demand at about 66,000 MW.
    Ercot however is not all of Texas, but it's most of Texas, except for El Paso and some other mostly rural areas.
    But just to keep it easy, let's be conservative and say that current demand in Texas right now is 100,000MW.
    Now, just to get a ballpark number for the entire US, let's scale this number to match the total population.

    100,000MW * 331,433,217 / 28,995,881 = 1,143,036MW total US demand.

    Or, in Watts this is 1,143,036,000,000 W.

    Here's a typical solar panel,
    https://www.amazon.com/Richsolar-Polycrystalline-Efficiency-Module-Marine/dp/B07DPHY2YJ/

    It's about 14% efficient and delivers 100W with an area of 7.26 sqft.

    We'll be needing about 11,430,360,000 of these.

    If we buy them from Amazon maybe the spaceman still has enough stroke there to give us a bit of discount, but if he doesn't it'll set us back about $1.023T. We can probably squeeze that out of the petty cash box.

    Doing the rest of the math works out to about 3000 sqmi.

    Since the US land area is 3.797 million sqmi, it works out to about 0.08%, well below half.

    Now, the sqrt of 3000 is about 55 mi and Yuma, AZ forms a nice little triangle there South of I-8 and West of Hwy 85 down to the US/Mexico border that looks like it might work out to about that size.

    By the time we account for power losses we'll incur for inverters and transformers and other pieces of kit to get us on our new coast-to-coast connected grid and account for transmission losses we'll probably have to build bigger and cross I-8, maybe build out over toward the Salton Sea.

    Then, for nighttime we'll have to build out batteries, lots and lots of batteries if we want nighttime power. We'll need a system capable of a 1.5TW discharge rate and we'll need to have that capacity for, let's say 16h, because we probably won't have reliability if we cycle them empty. I'm not sure, I think maybe 24 hours would be a better design. Let's say 20 hours, so we'll need a 30TW h capacity. Well, we kinda have a problem here, I'm guessing because I'm not sure that we have the tech to build something like this, but let's pretend we do and let's use the Tesla Hornsdale Power Reserve for reference. It has a reserve capacity of about 200 MW h.

    I'm all but certain to have screwed some of this math up here, but I think this maybe works out that we'll need about 170,000 of the Hornsdale units. Well, now we're up to around another $30T and we'll need around another 200 sqmi of space. And looking at the Hornsdale site on Google maps it looks like we'll need about twice that space for the switchgear.

    It'll be a challenge but we can do it.
     
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    You have to factor in transmission costs. Not dollar wise, but efficiency wise. You can’t stick 55 sq miles in AZ and power NY. The power won’t get there.
     
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    OH well that refutes it........................spare me.
     
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    Why are you talking to me in pointless rubbish .. We have some space for solar .. no kidding .. problem solved.
     
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    Logically this is true. However it does not jive with the environmentalists, warmers, and the green new deal stated objectives to eliminate fossil fuels.
     
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    Except most CO2 emitted into the atmosphere does in fact come from rocks, soil, and oceans by a large amount. Believe it or not, I really don't care.
     
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    The green new deal and a ton of warmist environmentalists, including some scientists, espouse eliminating fossil fuels and, per this thread, putting all fossil fuel executives in prison. In my book eliminate means, well, eliminate.
     
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    Plastics are not fuel.
     
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    Plastics are made from fossil fuel.
     
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    giggle giggle
     
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    John Kerry echoes China’s argument that human rights sanctions threaten climate talks.

    China uses Uyghur Muslim slave labor in it's solar panel industry. China systematially rapes the wives of Uyghur slaves via government agents placed in their homes that share their wives bed.

    Muslim women 'forced to share beds' with male Chinese ...
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    Muslim women whose husbands have been detained in Chinese internment camps are being forced to share beds with male government officials assigned to monitor them in their homes.
    Does China Really Believe in ‘Climate Change?’ “In fact, China insisted that it needed more coal-fired power plants for economic and energy security reasons…One of the things the Chinese coal plants run are factories making solar panels for the West. Behind the rise of U.S. solar power lies a mountain of Chinese coal.” And slavery and rape.
     

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