China shared U.S. intelligence on Ukraine crisis with Russia

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  1. DEFinning

    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Is it not possible that this itself, could have given the Russians pause? You understand the concept of intimidating ones opponent, with a display of your own potentials? Kind of like when Russia tests their hypersonic missile: yeah, it lets us know what they've got-- but isn't that part of the point?
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is because Democrats and Liberalism, are the true enemies-- the importance of truth, pales, in comparison. In fact, truth's distortion, is a favorite weapon, of their "culture war," mentality. The repetition of falsehoods, compose the mantra of those who reject the future, intended not just to curse their adversaries, but also to buttress their own beliefs.

    While mild cases of this illness are probably widespread (w/ a variant that affects those on the Left, with a reversed vision), I think-- or hope-- we get a distorted view of the population penetration of serious cases, on this, or any, internet forum.
     
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  3. MJ Davies

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    Lying isn't limited to Democrats or Liberalism.
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    No fooling. Did you not read my whole post?

    Besides, I was not even talking about lying, in general, but the specific false narratives, often media- driven, to which it seemed that you and Pro_Line were referring.


    (Please don't make me regret including you, in the quote).
     
  5. MJ Davies

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    Dude, I'm not making you regret anything. You get pissed at me for sport. I don't mind if that helps you in some way.

    P.S. Don't start that obnoxious formatting either. I already have a migraine.
     
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    I just am at a loss, as to what the point of your reply had been. I will confess that I took your meaning to be different from what you'd actually written, because your actual words make even less sense. My post focused on certain people on the Right, sticking w/ stories that had been debunked, which seemed to be in keeping with your own post, which I'd quoted-- are we on the same page, that far?

    Then, I took what you were replying to mean that Liberals & Dems have their own lies, which suggested to me that you didn't think I understood that; since I had made it a point to mention the Left, infected by their own variant of this, for the specific purpose of not giving anyone the wrong idea, that I was confining this exclusively to the Right, it seemed inexplicable that you had felt the need to point this out.

    But I'd not read carefully (currently have a problem with my glasses), and what you'd said, I now see, was not that Libs & Dems lie, also, but that Libs & Dems are not the ONLY ONES who lie.

    And to that reply, to my post--
    -- I can only reply: WTF?
     
  7. truth and justice

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    Nothing secret was passed over to the Russians. Russia have been publicising their troop movements since 2014. Satellite images have been taken for decades. Perhaps you can specify in your own words what secrets have been given to Russia about their troop positions

    Here are Google Earth images of Russian troops taken in 2018, yes, Google Earth, hardly classified information of the US superior technology:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-say-proves-Russia-amassing-army-borders.html

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    Perhaps you could also explain in your own words why it was so bad to try and get China to contact Russia in an effort to stop the predicted invasion? And before you attack Biden again, why didn't Trump do anything other than cosy up with Putin?
     
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    That Biden used China as a double agent to pass on the information? Your article, the linked rag, addresses it but missed the play. I guess that means your post missed the play as well.
     
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    Well, they may not be American, IDK, but they are definitely deep into divisive cult politics, party over country knowingly or not.
     
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like what? Like the fact that we can take photos from above? LOL
     
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  11. Bluesguy

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    Prove Biden purposely used China to pass information to Russia. Why would he have to use China we have direct contact with Russia?
     
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    Read the OP we passed on our intelligence. Pictures from 2018.................spare me
     
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    In psyops one of the first thing they teach you is that if you repeat a lie enough times, it becomes a truth. Thus, the popularity of Fox News ;)
     
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    How do you know that "Nothing secret was passed over to the Russians"?

    “A former National Security Council official who dealt with Russia argued that the more intelligence the administration releases, the more likely that the Kremlin’s operatives can trace the sources and methods used to obtain it, endangering American assets, including human ones.

    “How many freaking times do they need to warn that anything may be imminent?” the former official asked. “Next time we won’t know what the plans are because the Russians won’t use those channels they know we collect on.”
    POLITICO, RUSSIA-UKRAINE CONFLICT, Spy world wary as Biden team keeps leaking Russia intel, By NAHAL TOOSI, 02/08/2022.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/08/spy-world-biden-leaking-russia-intel-00006956

    What happened to ST6?
     
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    Wait, 4yo pics are "intelligence" for whom ?
     
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  16. truth and justice

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    Nothing secret was passed on. And if you don't get the significance that even Google earth are able to take photos of Russian troops from space then I can't help you
     
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    I wonder if the OP knows the capabilities of Google Earth.
     
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    I still love it when a rational being shuts down Russia propaganda on Post #2.... I bold the funny line that the wingers can't seem to grasp here..

    Well done!
     
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    Prove the OP disinformation/smear you posted first.
     
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    Including by sharing secret intelligence and analysis and our desired response and for 3 months begging for their help. So how'd that work out? The Chinese went to their buddies the Russians and gave them our intelligence.

    So who gets fired over that plan?
     
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    China told Russia what WE KNEW and OUR ANALYSIS and how we WANTED TO RESPOND. All valuable information which they gave Biden the finger and handed it over to the Russians. Deal with the facts.
     
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    as in how detailed they are
    you are being purposely obtuse
     
  23. truth and justice

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    You can see individual roof tiles on Google earth images. How much more detail do you need?
     
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    as in Infared or ultraviolet seeing through camouflage pictures taken at night or if a tank has recently been running the list is endless what the US intelligence is capable of that China or Russia wasn't aware of that now they are
     
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    Do these tanks vanish in daylight? Russia and China have their own infrared satellites
     
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