Nearly 400 civilians killed in Afghanistan under Taliban rule: UN

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/7/un-400-civilians-killed-in-afghanistan-under-taliban-rule

HYPERLINK has full article

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A new United Nations report has said nearly 400 civilians have been killed in attacks in Afghanistan since the Taliban takeover, more than 80 percent by a group affiliated with ISIL (ISIS)..............

In the same speech, Bachelet said that Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers had curtailed women’s rights and freedoms. She called for women to be allowed to “fully participate” in public life.

Bachelet also referred to “a number of disturbing cases of enforced disappearances” of activists and protesters and expressed concern about restrictions on freedom of expression.................................

“More than half the population now suffer extreme levels of hunger. An increase in child labour, child marriage and the sale of children has been observed,” Bachelet noted.

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The article paints a pretty grave picture of the life there since the USA pull out debacle.

Should we have kept a sufficient presence so the Taliban would not come back in control? It sure seems that way. While the topic do jour is Ukraine, the US media won't even mention Afghanistan

I wonder if it were a GOP C in C who oversaw the disastrous pull-out if we would see sad human interest stories from the media? My guess is ...............yes

 

And?

Trump signed the peace treaty with the Taliban which stated all US troops to be withdrawn after 18 months of signing the treaty. We honored the treaty. Taliban took over because we honored said treaty. And the rest is history.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/02.29.20-US-Afghanistan-Joint-Declaration.pdf

 

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

who was C in C during the debacle? Are you pleased with the way the pull-out was handled?

Oops, plz don't answer because you can't defend the Democrat POTUS so the question might make you uncomfortable

 

Who was CnC? First Debacle was signing that damn peace treaty to begin with, so that was Trump. Biden honored said peace treaty and his debacle was withdrawing all troops as quickly as possible for that 18 month deadline.

 

This is the state of affairs in many countries all around the world. Shall we enforce western values in all of them, or just Afghanistan? How much higher taxes are you willing to pay and how many of your children are you willing to send overseas to make sure people living in backwards cultures and failed states are afforded the same rights and standard of living as us?

 

the great Trump deal

"Trump complained on a radio show that the media spent 'all night' Sunday covering the devastation wrought by Hurricane Ida instead of his 'great agreement' with the Taliban"

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-complained-media-spent-weekend-covering-hurricane-ida-2021-8

 

So . . . you think it is weird to criticize . . . the architect of this agreement? Really? I get blaming both Biden and Trump, but kicking and screaming at the mention of Trump when Trump outright BRAGGED that he knew his withdrawal plan would result in the fall of the Afghan government, after he CUT OUT the Afghan government from the agreement and ONLY negotiated with the Taliban, after he freed thousands of Taliban soldiers, including the leader of this takeover? Really? That's just willful self delusion.

I'm sorry the facts are inconvenient for your partisanship, but the facts don't care about your feelings, and crying about objective reality will not make it go away.

 

If it makes you feel better about your Democrat vote, then you only fool yourself, but keeping spouting it

 

Trump would have got the necessary citizens out prior to the troop removal and kept our base until our munitions and other equipment was removed. Biden's rash actions screwed it all up and endangered, and killed innocent citizens, and gave the Taliban millions of dollars worth of military equipment. Like Obama said, "Never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to F%$# things up".

 

They broke the agreement in paragraph 1.

 

Biden makes no decisions other than what ice cream to eat or which female to fondle. It's the unelected back-room Democrats who pull the strings

 

Who is they? Taliban? United States?

 

Wouldn't that have happend when the first 8600 troops left Afghanistan in 2020? The State Department, to their credit, issued warning to the civilian contractors, missionairies and other humanitiarian persons, and citizens either visiting or living there. Yet, at the same time, the State Department was stating that the Afghan government was not going to fall. Anyone who has been there knew the moment we left, the Afghan government would fall, just not as quickly as it did. More like 2 weeks. Furthermore, the fall was expidited by the thousands of prisioners who were loyal to the Taliban in the first place.

 

Trump made a deal with those terrorists to not be there anymore.
So if you now wonder what the GOP would do,.. it would double down on the deal made with those terrorists.


Also...
The article mentions 80% of the people killed, got killed by ISIS. The Taliban are fighting ISIS. And where the US first helped the "elected" puppet regime of Afghanistan to deal with ISIS, the US now is sanctioning the Taliban who is the only party fighting ISIS. Obviously the US is partially to blame that ISIS was able to kill 100's of people.

The US could have picked a neutral position. But no. They froze bank accounts etc etc,... and it all just adds up that teachers and doctors aren't being paid, as well as who is fighting ISIS in order to protect everyday citizens. With that, the US deliberately is bankrupting the country which is helping out ISIS.

 

in your defense of all things Democrat, you miss the point that i made

With full Democrat leadership in DC, we see absolutely nothing reported in the USA media about this human tragedy .

Will you ever acknowledge the double standard by the media or is it OK because it's in favor of team Democrat?

 

So you think the Ukraine-Russia war is not tragedy?

I read about human tragedy all the time, locally and nationally. We have had severe accidents, seven mass shootings in the past week across the nation, a war that no one but Russia wanted, the Eastern Chinese Airlines crash, etc.

 

Uh no.
The US media has never covered much of what went on in Afghanistan. You can turn on CNN and see Ukraine being mentioned and what goes on every 15 minutes or so.

Nothing like that was done for Afghanistan under any leadership. Because of that, we do not even know how many people got slaughtered there. Not even some wild estimation. Just a bare minimum of around 175.000 people. It's the total lack of interest in the US and the media that US soldiers were able to torture people to death with impunity. Enslaving to mass rape young girls is also on the list of warcrimes that US soldiers did. Nothing much change since 'Nam where they were killing babies.

for the luls:
http://peacewomen.org/content/afgha...five Toyota,Newspaper on Network on Wednesday.

 

Good grief this is preposterous nonsense ... blaming the Taliban for Al Qaeda - Blaming increased Al Qaeda activity on the US Pull-out. - complaining about civilian casualties due to Al-Qaeda/ISIS ... our Proxy Soldiers.

Why are you complaining about civilian deaths by the Biden Obama "JV" team proxy soldiers - and pretending Afghanistan was better off after we showed up.

The floor is yours.

 

in your knee-jerk defense of all things Democrat, did you miss that I made no complaints?

 

What is this nonsense response coupled.with denial of your own OP "A new United Nations report has said nearly 400 civilians have been killed in attacks in Afghanistan since the Taliban takeover, more than 80 percent by a group affiliated with ISIL (ISIS)."

How is that not complaining about civilian casualties. ? .. and what mind bending nonsense is this .. accusing me of " defending all things Democrat" when my post trashes the Dems .. and it is you who is defending them.

Did you have your reverse glasses on this morning .. where everything you read comes out backwards .. or what ?

Now go back and respond to what I actually posted .. rather than responding to something you made up nonsense you have atributed to me -- or have you no ability to defend your OP ?

and last -- get a freaken argument .. no wonder Blue is so successful when all their opponents can come up with is nonsense.

 

Ya get a little gold star for figuring it out.

 

aww, did I hit a nerve? Try and read my words that I posted and do not confuse them with an article. Please show all of us reading at home where I complained

 

Your OP - You posted the article .. in your OP The title of our OP 400 civilians killed under Taliban Rule. and now you deny taking issue with the number of civilians killed.

OK .. sorry for henpegging you .. what then is your position ? .. this should be a hoot .. speaking of "hitting a nerve" or two sorry .. just prophecying again my gift you know .. your future

 

In sec's point of view, it's all Biden's fault why this is happening in Afghanistan.

 

Isn't it amazing that there's a group of Muslim terrorists in Afghanistan who are carrying out attacks because they think the Taliban is not radical enough?

This is so common for different Muslim sects not to be able to agree, and since Islam is inherently an intolerant religion, these disagreements often turn violent.

It's hard from an American or Western European perspective to imagine how anyone could think the Taliban's version of Islam is not radical enough.