Nearly 400 civilians killed in Afghanistan under Taliban rule: UN

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    It literally has nothing to do with religious values, it has to do with political power while using religion to achieve such power.
     
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    I think that is all you are able to see because you are only able to view it through your atheist materialistic lens.

    This is very much about a value system, and beliefs those values should be imposed onto others, with violence. These fighters really believe they are doing the "right" thing (brainwashed into their ideology). Otherwise it is simply not really logical for them to be fighting. You don't enthusiastically sacrifice your life and martyr yourself unless you believe you're doing the right thing. Rationally, these fighters should realize they have no chance of taking power from the Taliban. It's not about personal benefit.
     
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    For starters, I am no atheist. Religion, any and every religion, has been used to justify political power. In China, it came between Buddhism, Taoism, and Confuscism. In Western Europe, it was between various sects of Catholicism, between Catholicism and Protestantism, etc, And the list goes on. Religion, no matter which religion, has been the deciding factor of when and where wars are fought. This is not to blame religion per se, but those in power use religion to justify what those in power want to accomplish.

    Today, we see religion at the forefront of some of the rights we have. Religion was used to justify some of America's darkest history. Christians in the 19th century, used reliigion to kill Mormons. Religion has been used to justify ban of sale of alcoholic drinks, aka dry counties. Religion has been used, but not limited to, slavery; and not just slavery of Africans either.

    Finally, I am not arguing religion should be banned. But if you look at the 1st admendment, both the free exercise and the establishment clause, aka seperation of church and state, the Founding Fathers knew the dangers of giving religion too much power in the control of the average man and woman.
     
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    Those fighters indeed believe they are doing the right thing,... but they are more then just fighters. They are your random average "Joe the Plumber" Afghan, supported by their family and friends. No doubt their mother arranged the mariage of his son with some nice girl while his dad was herding around or something. And she and her mother are hoping that he wins or becomes a martyr. Sure, filling in a lot of blanks in... but how on earth could The Taliban win from the US and it's nato allies after 20 years of warfare? These Taliban didn't just appear out of nowhere. They are natives. And they also didn't get half a trillion bucks worth of equipment to fight like those people in Ukraine. They did it with whatever by earning hardly a thing besides selling opium I believe.

    And it's not just religion. They mixed it with nationalistic and tribal pride. You aint just part of the Taliban by being muslim. The heart must be patriotic just like your random fanatic flag waving American. The Taliban isn't 1 group, see.

    Putting it this way. No American would love to see some German army marching around their county, sticking their German flag in the American faces. And when you add the idea that if that the German army would spread the word that atheism is the key and not that backward God fearing every sunday nonsense in a church... that's when Americans show up from under every rock like roaches with a weapon to get rid of the Germans with their "best of intentions". Americans, being backed up with their friends and families. It wasn't any different in Afghanistan.

    As far as I can see, only a minority is being oppressed in Afghanistan. The bulk of the country seems to me totally in on it.
    While your post seems to hint it's just some men who fight.
     
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