THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    "WE", the United States of America, were very much still involved in South Vietnam in 1975, with both billions of dollars, and different varieties of American 'personnel', but no active military combat missions, per se. I remember all this like it was yesterday... do you?
     
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    Well no. I was 8 years old at the time.

    But "no active combat missions" automatically means that regardless of the nature of our involvement there that we were NOT "running for our lives".
     
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    You can try alternative green energy. For the industry of the times of Cesare Borgia, the energy of wind turbines may be enough. (Instead of candles in houses, an electric light bulb will be possible.) Only one must take into account the high cost of such energy. But Europe is ready to sacrifice everything for the happiness of Ukrainians. These are not Libyans, Serbs, Afghans, who can be exterminated en masse. Is not it?
    However, in the modern world there are entire industries where gas and oil are needed. For example, the chemical industry or metallurgy. But if you replace rolled metal with blacksmiths, then perhaps you can do without gas and oil. Coal will suffice. Is there a lot of coal in Italy?
     
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    Look at the economy of my country?...But, judging by the context, maybe you mean the economy of Russia?
    So you look at the Russian economy. What do you see? The ruble is growing in price (after falling, but still growing. And it will grow. Especially during a period of active demand for it. Europeans need gas - gas is sold for rubles.) Gasoline in Russia is getting cheaper. Many new businesses are opening. (when Western competitors were removed, there was an explosive growth of industry in Russia.) ....etc.
    Look at Russia and compare with what is happening in your country.
     
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    I thought so. You can't write at least something adequate. But don't give up. Keep writing. Perhaps the moment will come and you will get a meaningful text.
     
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    Your illusions are touching. First, not "if", but "when".
    Secondly, a nuclear war will not be tactical.
    Thirdly, both sides will strike the first blow at strategic large cities. The US will shoot at Moscow, St. Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod .... and a number of other large cities.
    The Russians will shoot at Washington, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, ....etc.
    In general, it will not be boring. Especially considering the fact that the countries of Europe will be erased in the first 30 minutes.
    After a nuclear duel, the economies of the countries will equalize. That is, there will be no economy at all in any country. Who will be the first to develop is a big question. May igart at first glance, secondary factors. And the most important thing is which of the countries will be the first to establish statehood and management functions.
    And in this matter, the Russians have good chances. That's why - Russians are always at war. At the genetic level, they are able to integrate into wartime. Also, the Russians always have a mobilization economy at the highest level. (By the way, pay attention - after each major war, the territory of Russia increases.)
    I do not know how American citizens will behave in the period after a nuclear war, .... however, I know. Look, for example, at what happened in New Orleans after the flood. Or look at what happens in any US city after, for example, a power outage. In my opinion, the state of "Mad Max" most accurately reflects what is happening. In Europe, by the way, also. (In some quarters of London or Paris, even the police are afraid to enter)
     
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    Dmitry, have you been to North Korea? Or do you draw information from Western media, which even American presidents call fake news?
     
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    Low prices do not always mean low wages. For example, you can look at random (non-politicized photos from Russia) and see what kind of cars drive through the streets of cities in Russia.
    For example, by the tag "Moscow traffic jams"
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    Or Rostov-on-Don

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    What do you think it's called?
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    This is just a pathetic start. The Italian authorities need to stock up on rubles.
     
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    Actually there's another theory which holds that nukes are getting smaller as they get more accurate. And if you have a
    choice between one big bomb on Paris or a dozen tatical nukes against NATO ports, airfields and troop concentrations,
    what do you do? If you want to win the war I suggest you go for the tactical nukes. You need to eliminate not so much
    your enemy but your enemy's ability to hurt you. That's the modern thinking BTW. If Putin unleashes nukes it's going to
    be these tactical mini-nukes, ie Kiev's tactical bunkers housing the Ukrainian leadership.
     
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    Ukraine has already lost. This is obvious to anyone. And only the propaganda media continue to write nonsense about "Russia's losses."
    I understand that you are not familiar with the real situation in Ukraine. So let me explain to you briefly what is happening.
    1. For eight years, Ukraine has been creating multi-echelon positions around the Donbass. (From these positions, the Ukrainian fascists fired at the peaceful cities of Donbass and no one in the EU and the USA was worried about this). These are serious fortifications.
    2. Ukraine has gathered huge forces in the Donbas (almost the entire Ukrainian army).
    In Mariupal alone, 20 thousand Ukrainian fascists were concentrated.
    Now look what happened this month.
    Russia destroyed almost all aviation and air defense of Ukraine (throughout Ukraine)
    A lot of Ukrainian equipment was destroyed (tanks, artillery, self-propelled guns...etc)
    The bulk of the fuel depots and ammunition depots have been destroyed.
    The Ukrainian army actually has no reserves....
    Within a week, the main Ukrainian grouping in the Donbas will be completely surrounded and destroyed.
    Further. Those Russian forces that were involved in the Donbas will be released and strengthen other areas. And considering that the Ukrainian army will not be there by then, the rest of the special operation will not take much time.
    This is for a general understanding of what is happening.
    The Ukrainian military surrenders by the hundreds every day.
    I advise you to get information from different sources and draw your own conclusions.
     
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    Well, a week is too much.Based on the filming on the spot, there are very deep fortifications. The departure to the Azovstal of Mariupol was not for nothing. There's a huge Soviet factory there. I had one in my city, where we had a bomb shelter for 30,000 people. And you understand what the USSR was preparing for. In fact, there is a whole city under such a plant
     
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    ~ No conventional nuclear war is necessary or even practical these days. Poison the water supply, send contaminated food/medication, release a virus. The most effective weapon appears to be the “ Super-EMP ” .
     
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    as one of those who stormed Mariupol from the first day wrote now: Today the enemy began a rapid retreat to Azovstal. Continue in the same spirit, blast furnaces are waiting for you, they will also become your crematorium" (c)
     
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    But.... Putin gave his word, 'Russia has no intention of invading Ukraine'
    and Russia promised if Ukraine surrendered its nuclear weapons it would sign an agreement to never invade Ukraine.
    ... and here you are saying, 'Russia destroyed almost all avaiation... bulk of fuel depots...surrenders by the hundreds...'
    I fail to understand - aren't Russians honest and peaceful people?
     
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    and the US promised not to expand NATO to the east
     
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    To play Monopoli?
    2022 supplies are already available. The real point is what is going to happen from 2023 on.
    The war is going to end on next May 9th [according to our former good friend Vladimir Vladimirovich], but Europe will be quite different.
    We will have time to start the process to substitute Russia as supplier of natural gas. Then, we will see.
     
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    I note that you avoid to mention Syrians ;) ... Russians were partially with the West in that war theater ... and they exterminated as well [and more] ...
    About energy, we could go back to coal. Our coal power plants are old, but they can still be operative again. But as I was saying, it's still early. Let's wait and see what's going to happend after the end of the war.
     
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    And yet a host of former Eastern Block nations beat a willing path to their door at the first available opportunity. Desperate to put the stench of Soviet Russian occupation behind them at the first available opportunity.

    Now point to one nation, just one that has flocked to Russia for protection in the last 30 years (hint Syria doesn't count).
     
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    No, SOME Americans said that. But they cannot speak for Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland etc..
    These are soverign states and won't abide some American official giving his own opinions on what
    they might do. They join NATO to give them some protection from Russian imperialism.
    But many would suggest now that Russia isn't the bogeyman it once was. And when these sanctions
    truly bite there won't be much left of Russia.
     
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    Think about it, there is even such a country in the center of Europe
     
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    I am afraid that if Russia imposes sanctions, Europe will starve and freeze)
     
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    Yes, by the looks of it, they are doing what the Soviets did in the Winter War 1939-40 after they were not able to reach their initial goals. They downgrade their goals and call it a victory, - in this case they'll settle for the Eastern region.

    As for Vietnam, the military was not thrown out. It was a political decision to reduce the troops, and eventually pull out completely as we did in Afghanistan. In Vietnam the troop levels reached over 500K, and then were reduced to almost nothing before the final chopper left, and in Afghanistan the levels were around 130K and then reduced to around 20K in 2012 and by 2020 there were very few left, and then pulled out completely in 2021.

    Ukrainians dont have an option to pull out, and they have a large military and reserves which are fighting for their homes and freedom.

    Russia is fast-tracking to becoming the new North Korea, and soon no one will care what they do it say.

    I believe there was still US air support in 1975, - until April when everyone left.
     
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    Ahahaha. Do you think that scares me?)))) I am amazed at your naivety.
     

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