Things which could exist in a world without atheism

No we don't need a written "moral code".
Nor do we need a highly organised hierarchical body to remind us of what it consists.

 

Nor fear of doing wrong through threats of retribution. One can be moral without such primitive trappings.

 

Actually, it can get quite complicated.

You are referring the root of morality, which is in our biology.

But it's utterly inadequate in a technological world. Which is why we have ethics, the formal analysis of morals.

My immediate reaction to your comment about a written moral code was to think we already have one in the values and ideals of the Enlightenment. Which serves for general purposes. But for the thornier issues, we need more, like the work of medical ethicists on things like abortion, and end of life issues.

 

I have. And I had family who were victims of the Nazis. Maybe try cracking one open yourself.

Boycotting German businesses isn't "genocide," nor would a Jewish boycott bankrupt German businesses, and the Germans had ALREADY made "economic attacks" on Jewish businesses.

The President doesn't "speak for us." But your authoritarian leanings are becoming more and more obvious. And I doubt you even know who the person who wrote that article even was.

Objective reality says you are wrong.

Oh ****! Five other articles! FIVE! Oh my ****ing God, that proves everything! Lol, dude, where the **** do you even come up with this bull ****? Meanwhile, were those articles before or after German antisemitism (hint: it's after).

Someone's learning!

 

How would that cause the elimination of child molesting priests, defended, forgiven, and hidden by the Catholic church - and also amid protestants, by the way?

If the church can't even police their own, what makes you think they could police the nation?

 

Actually, I was thinking of personal morality (social interaction etc.) and perhaps I should have clarified that. I don't see any connection to biology, especially given that in our primitive state, barbarism was the norm. Perhaps you could elaborate on that to aid my understanding, for I fear owing to my limitations, I may be misinterpreting your point?

I understand that and have participated in such discussions among business associates.

Agreed.

 

Your opinion is false. Statements of that sort of generiaiztion almost always fail. I find it interesting that I never met a ‘believer that has as extensive or as immutable a code of honor as that To which I have voluntarily bound myself with and I allow myself no excuses or equivocations.

 

Let's go back to before there were humans. Apes lived in families or tribes. There is a small piece of your brain that helps with that. If it gets damaged, you become one of the rare examples of a real libertarian.

While there was/is fighting over resources and status, cooperation needed to dominate to keep the family/tribe going.

 

Yes, I see. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Weren't there almost no atheists in the middles ages and in the middle east? I wish we could be more like them.

 

Yeah but I think he is working off this idea that even if you were the pope, if you murdered someone you were an atheist because only a person who has no belief in God would be able to commit murder. It’s the No True Scotsman fallacy.

 

RE: Things which could exist in a world without atheism
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Now, this is an interesting view.

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I am not sure that you could include the Supreme Being in the example. The Creator sets the moral and ethical standards. In that regard, IF there is an afterlife, THEN the relative value of life is diminished. A murder would not actually be murder (cutting a life short) → because the soul would just be redeemed in the afterlife and the essence of life would just continue on in a different plane of existence.

So, using that logic, "cutting a life short" in this existence would actually mean more in a plane of existence containing atheism.

What do you think?


Most Respectfully,
R

 

There have always been atheists, in much the same way that there have always been homosexuals. It is only a matter of how free they are to admit it, if they are killed for it, if they are accepted in society, etc.

I recall Iran president Ahmadinejad
denying that any homosexuals existed in Iran. "oh we don't have any of them there". Uh, yeah you do. They just don't want to be murdered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/story?id=3642673

 

Atheists have their place in creation, as do rapists, murderers, thieves, etc. The provide the contrast for light and love. Even they serve god, although in a way unrecognizable to anyone else. Nothing exists except god, and that includes rapeists, murderers, pedophiles, etc. The darkness allows the universe to experience itself. Without it there would be no concept of good or righteousness. It's all part of the plan.

 

Lol. Ok.

 

Then again, we agree upon standards born of conscience and raise them into law. Then we hold all men to those standards and punish those who violate them. So we do lift our morals with the threat of retribution in the secular world. From this we compel men to comport while we build the whole of modern society upon nothing more than an invisible light of conscience. What I find unusual is that conscience is in our private attendance our entire lives like an inherited slave. Yet we do its bidding. But where would we be without it.

 

That's kinda harsh. Bad day?

 

I disagree. In general, everyone has a conscience for a guide in this world. Therefore an Atheist is as likely to do the right thing because it is right, as would anyone else. And much evil has been done in Gods name. Perhaps evil done in Gods name contributes to the reason Atheists take such great care with their trust. They don't want to morph into or become self righteous maniacs.

 

Hmmmm... I guess I don’t see what’s wrong with it.

 

Understood. The 'fear of retribution' I mentioned was not intended to be terrestrial, but rather it is a reference to punishment in the afterlife. Perhaps I should have clarified that.

 

Point taken. But if we set ourselves up as Gods, and judge one another as Gods. Then where is the discordance in ourselves being judged by the one true God over all. If we do well, what's to fear? Have you forgotten the rewards? I consider Divine warnings an act of charity, like a Trooper who pulls you, warns you sternly, and sends you on your way. And while men judge one another incessantly. God never does. He doesn't jump out from behind a tree or catch us in our unawares at our every fault. Instead he blesses us the entire length of our lives, by reserving judgment in deference to charity. But he gives us little reminders thru our consciences, occasional inspirations, epiphanies, from other people, and words in books. To me, God is the best of mankind. And shorn of glory and omnipotence, is simply a good person at heart.

 

you kidding, child molesting priests, Hitler, 9-11, etc... all prove your theory wrong

 

That you seem to hold Atheism in equal regard to people who do evil. As if one must profess God to do or be good.

 

Oh, ok. Yeah, going back and looking at what I wrote I guess it does seem like that, since I only put bad things in the same sentence as atheists. That was not what I was trying to imply. I have no problem with atheists or religious people. I was trying to say that if atheists did not exist, bad things would still exist, as negative polarity is essential if existence is going to have any meaning at all. I didn't mean to lump atheists in with the bad things. I apologize.

 

I certainly have never heard THAT version of god!

I'd still point out that Matthew 25:31-end is a clear statement by Jesus that god is judging your life and without compliance to the works he demands, will send you to hell even if you are a believer.