Eric Trump reveals HE told Donald FBI raided Mar-a-Lago: Ex-President's son claims agents 'ransacked

I am very sure you have the sequence of events wrong. Tell me your version of events, concerning the movement of boxes etc.

 

More important is that your highlighted portion means normal citizens who are not part of law enforcement.

 

Bingo

 

Rofl!

"Grab her *****"

 

Standard mob technique.

Trump has employed standard mob technique.

Now let that sink in.

With this many secret documents compromised I would say that the chances of moving the venue from a Grand Jury trial to a military tribunal (Rosenberg, Julius & Ethel, 1953-1954) suddenly jumped considerably.

For historical context, Julius was executed for the crime of Conspiracy against the USA by giving our nuclear secrets to the USSR.

 

In a related thread, I have been discussing with @RodB , what he expects to happen. We've reached the point of his saying he expects the DOJ will want to charge Trump, but that this will require a Grand Jury's voting to indict. And though prosecutors' win %, with Grand Juries is quite high, Rod expects this Grand Jury will not follow that script, though he hasn't given any specifics, of why he believes that will be the case.

Yet, I think I can guess RodB's reasoning. Statistically speaking, out of any 12 Americans, you're going to get 3 (or even 4) MAGA supporters. So now my question becomes: does the prosecutor get any say (as he does, with juries for criminal trials), through challenges, in the selection process, of a Grand Jury? If not, it seems a decent likelihood, even if MAGA/Trump supporters are asked to excuse themselves, that at least one will wind up, under cover, on that Grand Jury.

Even if the prosecutor is allowed to scratch a certain number of prospective jurors, will that number be sufficient? He will also need investigate thoroughly, all prospective jurors, if there is any hope at all, of getting a MAGA- free group. Presumably Grand Jury votes to indict, must be unanimous, as in criminal trials?

 

Kyle Cheney
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The FBI has a team going over documents for EP and attorney-client privilege.
Though executive privileges do not apply if fraud is being or has been committed.


NEW: Trump's renewed bid for a special master was notable what it omitted: -Any calls for Reinhart's recusal or suggestion he'd acted improperly -Any mention of classified material -Any mention of declassification w/
@joshgerstein



politico.com
Trump lawyers renew plea for outside supervision of Mar-a-Lago search trove
The latest filing, however, may be more noteworthy for what’s not in it.


Snip;

"The filing, which was billed as a “supplement” to Trump’s meandering initial bid on Monday, was notable, however, for what it didn’t include. It makes no mention of the hundreds of pages of classified documents recovered during the Aug. 8 search and in previous visits by investigators. It also makes no mention of Trump’s claims to have declassified the material. It also eschews the heated criticism Trump has leveled at Bruce Reinhart, the magistrate judge who authorized the search.

Instead, Trump lawyers suggest in the filing that the search may have been improper or even illegal because of indications that investigators were concerned that records covered by the Presidential Records Act were at his Palm Beach home.

“This provides the deeply troubling prospect that President Trump’s home was raided under a pretense of a suspicion that Presidential records were on his property – even though the Presidential Records Act is not a criminally-enforceable statute,” Trump’s filing said."

 

"An American federal grand jury has from 16 to 23 jurors, with twelve votes required to return an indictment."

 

No wonder it's so easy to get a grand jury to vote to indict. Thanks for diffusing that anxiety bomb, for both me & anyone else who may have had the same thought.


EDIT: I wonder what the reason is, for the differing numbers of Grand Jurors-- is it based on differing jurisdictional rules, or might it have anything to do with the class of the offense, in question?

 

I remembered the numbers and not the whys..

link:
What Are Grand Juries? (grandjuryresistance.org)

Interesting read.
snip:

How is a Grand Jury Different Than a Trial Jury?
"Unlike the "petit" jury, which is used to determine guilt in a trial, a grand jury consists of 16 to 23 jurors who are not screened for bias. The purpose of the grand jury is not to determine guilt or innocence, but to decide whether there is probable cause to prosecute someone for a felony crime. The grand jury operates in secrecy and the normal rules of evidence do not apply. The prosecutor runs the proceedings and no judge is present. Defense lawyers are not allowed to be present in the grand jury room and cannot present evidence, but may be available outside the room to consult with witnesses. The prosecutor and the grand jury members may not reveal what occurred in the grand jury room and witnesses cannot obtain a transcript of their testimony."

How Has the Grand Jury Been Misused?

 

Raise your hand if ?

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*********king Trump sold the names of our foreign spies and sources, didn't he? *********king Trump. "Last year, a top-secret memo sent to every C.I.A. station around the world warned about troubling numbers of informants being captured or killed..."



nytimes.com
Classified Material on Human Intelligence Sources Helped Trigger Alarm
Documents related to the work of clandestine sources are some of the most sensitive and protected in the government. F.B.I. agents found some in boxes retrieved from Donald J. Trump’s home.
10:00 PM · Aug 26, 2022

link, no paywall

Trump Inquiry Fueled in Part by Concern Over Intelligence Sources - The New York Times (archive.org)

 

@ShadowX

Come on......tell me?

Tell me your version of the events from Jan 1, 2021...with respect to this matter.

 

Bingo! That is the only way he was able to sneak them out of the WH.

 

False. The fbi TOOK boxes of documentation. They weren’t handed over documentation. In June they took documentation themselves.

You should already know that. Trump handed over boxes before June. But in June the FBI TOOK boxes.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/mar-a-lago-search-subpoena-latest/index.html

See unlike you I source my claims and can back up what I say. You can’t.

 

What crime did he commit?

 

Unlike you I don’t need to be walked through anything by MSNBC. I’ll be happy to source you the criminal code you think you know what you’re discussing and I’ll be happy to prove you wrong.

 

Jesus Christ. Y’all have no idea what you’re talking about.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/mar-a-lago-search-subpoena-latest/index.html

Notice they REMOVED items due to having a subpoena to do so in JUNE, they were not PROVIDED items to take like the first time. They TOOK them. The affidavit WILLFULLY acknowledges they claimed to KNOW that those documents were there in June.

So please explain to me why they LEFT them there when they knew they were there in June.

Don’t worry. I’ll wait.

 

Start in January 2021.

Don't worry. I'll wait.

 

I agree. And the answer lies in the mind of Trump. He is, after all, kind of dumb. He allows his arrogance to dominate his thought process.
And possibly he does have stuff hidden away not yet discovered.

 

Trump Lawyer Told Justice Dept. That Classified Material Had Been Returned - The New York Times (archive.ph)

My source is from the horse's mouth.

"Trump Lawyer Told Justice Dept. That Classified Material Had Been Returned
The lawyer signed a statement in June that all documents marked as classified and held in boxes in storage at Mar-a-Lago had been given back. The search at the former president’s home on Monday turned up more."

 

Let me clarify. First, it is just my opinion and prediction, and predictions are always dicey in the judicial system. My opinion is based on the fact that any objective interpretation of the facts of the case will find no -- as in none, nada, zip -- crime. However, as the rest of your post says, it is all dependent on the make-up of a grand jury which is highly a function of which court district handles the case. The Washington District is likely to have a preponderance of Trump dislikers (and haters), while the Miami District is likely to have a majority of Trump supporters. I'm sure the DOJ knows this so most assuredly they will file their case in the Washington District. There is a voir dire process where both attorneys participate (Trump's attorneys are not allowed in the actual grand jury deliberation and investigative process) but I do not know the detailed rules of that process. In any case a Washington District grand jury is likely to have a lot of jurors biased against Trump which would mitigate my prediction somewhat. How each juror handles their bias is a whole other question.

 

You heard it here first!

ShadowX knows more about criminal codes then Neal Katyal.

 

The persecution of political opposition, especially the anti-establishmentarian opposition, is a hallmark of Fascism -- "plain and simple".

Garland, the DP and its DOJ/FBI is giving ordinary Americans the creeps. and IMO, that's a good thing -- for the people.

“Thus, for example, although appeals to his reason or to his sympathy are likely to be lost on him, appeals to his conventionality or to his submissiveness toward authority might be effective. (But it should be clearly understood that such activity would in no way reduce his conventionality or authoritarianism or his fascist potential.) Similarly it is consistent with what we know of the potentially fascist personality to suppose that he would be impressed by legal restraints against discrimination, and that his self-restraint would increase as minority groups became stronger through being protected. (But it must be remembered that it is the usual practice of the fascist to dress his most antidemocratic actions in a legalistic cloak.).
THE AUTHORITARIAN PERSONALITY, Studies In Prejudice, T.W. Adorno, Else Frankel-Brinswik, Daniel J. Levinson, R. Nevitt Sanford, W. W. Norton Company, Inc. 1969. pp. 973,974.

 

Today's NYTs

 

Boo-Fk'en Hoo.
Lying, attention media- whore Patel now demands privacy,


Kash Patel Rages Over Being Named in Trump Affidavit: 'Brown Lives Matter' (newsweek.com)

Snip:

"Trump loyalist Kash Patel on Friday blasted the Department of Justice (DOJ) after his name was included in the Mar-a-Lago raid affidavit.

Patel, who served as chief of staff to the acting secretary of defense in the waning days of the Trump administration, said in a post on Truth Social that his name appearing in the heavily-redacted document was "politicization by DOJ at its finest." In a separate statement, he said the Biden administration had "intentionally jeopardized" his safety by not censoring his name. Patel, who is of Indian descent, concluded the statement by declaring "Brown Lives Matter."

"Today marks another vicious attack from DOJ/FBI who intentionally jeopardized my safety by un-redacting my name in the most reviewed search warrant in the history of the United States," wrote Patel. "This cartel of corruption inside of our government is so devoid of concern about national security... The DOJ is on the line for my security with their dangerous actions."

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