Regarding sexualized drag shows for LITTLE CHILDREN:

You missed my intended point: there is no Right or Left wing group, that anyone can point to (other than NAMBLA, if that group even does have a political affiliation-- though I'm sure it has members whose views, span the political spectrum), that are pedophiles. Priests, who are pederasts, are certainly not all Right wingers. And there is no evidence that cross dressers, in general, have a greater propensity for pedophilia, than anyone else; all cross dressers are not even all Left wing-- just as there are Right wing homosexuals, as well.

So all you were doing, was fighting one, factless, demonizing stereotype, with a false association, of your own. Hard to see how that's a particularly effective argument, or of any benefit, whatsoever, to the debate.

 

Why not?

 

I totally got your point. And you’re right

 

Your entire argument is based on nothing but gender stereotypes. Putting on a dress, makes a man, not "real?" Have you never met a real person? Question: are women with breast implants, "real" people; if not, should they be kept away from children, and ostracized, as you seem to see as the appropriate societal reaction, to cross dressing "fakes?" How about people who have had plastic surgery? Liposuction? What about people with tattoos?

Should schools teach that many (or most) of our nation's founding fathers, were fantasizing phonies, out of touch with reality, because they portrayed themselves as older than they truly were, wearing long, tightly curled, white wigs?

 

A woman with a boob job has had a cosmetic boost. She is still- a woman, just as she was before. Any person with values will have a rational logical line- and will understand the difference between a pig and a cow, no matter how much lipstick is involved. The people with no capacity to grasp the larger implication of losing their grip on reality think there is no line; that everything is just shades of grey. Then they wonder why their world turns into a Sh*tshow. Or in some cases, prefer that, because it's lowering the bar to their own level and they don't need to perform at anything. Nonsense arguments you're making, sir. Nonsense.
Has no place at the table of reason. And I know you know that.

 

Yet its the woke left fighting to allow teachers to discuss gay and trans sexuality issues with 5 year olds.
Go figure

 

When did all clergy become right wing? Oh, they didn't. You just claimed they did.
Yet who is it fighting to allow teachers to have discussions about gay and trans sexuality issues with 5 year olds?
Oh yeah. The woke left

 

Quod erat demonstratum[quote

2) Your charge that it is "the left" which is "defending public school grooming," is, hence, undefined nonsense. I might as well claim that it is the Right which defends gun violence. Actually, that would be way more on the mark, than your own assertion. I'll try to think of a better analogy, for a later post.*

3) This thread has nothing especially to do, with public schools. The two cited events, were private ones.


*So, I could say, the Right stands for, and supports, baseless demonization of its political opponents, through hate-speech.[/QUOTE]

No, the Right stands for well founded demonization of Progressives through telling the truth.

 

So your first thought is, women with breast implants are no different than a man pretending to be a woman?
The dumbing down of American is here for all to see. Its amazing how many out of touch with reality arguments you can come up with to
allow the left to have discussions about gay and trans sexuality issues with 5 year olds.

 

I'm not interested in western perscription on the subject. It's been infected with woke ideology that is more interested in feelings then facts.

 

You’re right…it’s well known religious people are mainly liberals…<sarcasm off>

 

My argument, had merely been following your own, about "reality," and "fakes." So, apparently, in your mind, deceptions of clothing, surgery, and accessories are all fine-- women's shoulder pads, push-up bras, hair extensions and wigs, colored contact lenses, high heels, Spanx, and butt-augmenting, underwear inserts-- do not promote any reality-loosening fantasies, unless they aim to, or can be taken to intend to, depict a person as being specifically some gender, other than the one associated with the sex of their birth. I am just wondering, why that is the one and only place, you seem to draw this distinction. It seems a bit arbitrary, and inconsistent. I imagine you have no objections, to a woman wearing pants(?), or a business suit? But only because of minor tailoring differences, such as the location of buttons, which prevent the societal pandemonium, which would otherwise ensue? Is there really such a big difference between a kilt-- which does not, presumably, make Scottish men, cosplay fakes and pernicious deviants-- and a skirt?
And what about men who have earrings?

In most cases, I think drag queens come across as drag queens; that is, do not usually fool the viewer. They tend to dress and make themselves up, at least those who are their public face, in extravagant, larger than life ways that are a bit costumy. Have you been fooled, in the past? And you felt this began you, potentially, on a road to ruin, of getting lost in fantasy?

 

The "truth," that a high percentage of crossdressers are pedophiles??
And that Progressives support pedophilia, by supporting people's right, to dress however they like, without being targeted, as being a menace to our country & culture?

 

Religious people aren't mainly anything. But watching those so easily manipulated by leftist media, priceless.

 

You really do enjoy lying to yourself.

 

Your allegation, above, shows the intracacies of your mistaken presumptions, which makes the attempted untying, of all your knots of confusion, a very daunting task. So I will leave that Gordian mess, and simply ask, do you feel that schools should pretend that gay people don't exist?

Wouldn't that be, "living in fantasy," not reality?

 

Says the guy who thinks only the right are religious lol

 

Can't face the reality of it? If I were you, I wouldn't attempt to dispute either.

Are 5 years olds endangering the existence of gays and trans? Or are you just making up excuses to have discussions with 5 year olds about gay and trans sexuality issues?

 

I of course never made that claim. But by all means continue to be disingenuous. It’s what you do…

 

Being molested is the least danger that arises out of this.

Early sexualisation is strongly associated with later dysfunction ... across all spheres of the individual's life, not just the sexual. These are the kids who end up rudderless and depressed.

 

Not talking about me, and you know that. We're talking about the effect on kids, with values yet to be defined and formed- kids who need to learn about responsible human conduct, about the values of dignity, of self-respect and identity; the that things that make men civil and able to respect one another. This is culture, and the culture you are immersed in and grow up in defines much of how you think and what you will think is normal.- how you will behave.

And you have no idea how many people in drag you have seen, because the really good ones do not appear fake at all. It's one thing to try and improve the presentation of what you are- and another to intentionally deceive people by faking it.

We all owe the future- our grandchildren, their grandchildren and more. We owe them the inheritance of the best society we can build. The behavior we practice today defines us as well. I intend to leave this world better than I found it, not worse. Others did that for me, and for you. It would be an insult to all those before and after us to botch the job.

 

There's nothing hideous about drag (unless it's been deliberately intended to be). It's a joke that's been going on for centuries.

 

It's that thing about great minds thinking alike.

 

It’s more that people on the left object to Republican efforts in using the government to ban all speech they find uncomfortable.

 

The whole drag Queens around kids thing is designed specifically to make you think it's not right.

We're talking about my generation at one of the characteristics of it is that people took a lot longer to grow up. It's essentially the rebellious teenager phase that should have happened when you were 16 and 19 but it's happening in your thirties.

Problem is they have kids and they're using their kids as an instrument for the rebellion. One thing about it is these kids will grow up and they will learn that what they were being exposed to wasn't right. And when their parents are confronted they'll have to explain how it took them longer to grow up and they were using their children as a way to rebel.

The entire point of it is to provoke you. What they're really doing is ensuring that their kids will not trust them.

This is the hipster generation and they have got out of there Earth tones and $700 handbag phase.