Advocate tells lawmakers of ‘stealth’ efforts to influence Supreme Court

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

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    Reverend Shenck blows the whistle, noting that it's not 'illegal' these cozy relationships, but underlines the need for reform and transparency, and perhaps a recusal process in place, etc., on this issue, that the SCOTUS needs some kind of regulation to deal with this because it's unethical.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-supreme-court-influence-judiciary-committee/

    Evangelical minister Robert L. Schenck recruited wealthy Christian couples to serve as “stealth missionaries” at the Supreme Court for about two decades, forging friendships with conservative justices to “bolster” their views, particularly on abortion, Schenck told the House Judiciary Committee on Thursday.

    “Our overarching goals were to gain insight into the conservative justices’ thinking and to shore up their resolve to render solid, unapologetic opinions,” Schenck said, describing the mission of the influence campaign he dubbed “Operation Higher Court.”
     
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    Bullshit.

    SCOTUS whistleblower admits incident in his book 'possibly' did not happen, then Jordan proves it didn't


    He was questioned in front of a Judiciary Committee hearing. Here is just a small part of it.

    Quoted from the article:

    "With a single rap of the gavel, Chief Justice William Rehnquist announced: 'We'll hear argument first this morning in Number 95-1056, Reverend Paul Schenck and Dwight Saunders versus Pro-Choice Network of Western New York,'" Robert Schenck wrote in his book, as Jordan showed via placards bearing the text. "Paul and I winked at each other, knowing we had made history with 'Reverend' in his name." (snip)



    "Did Chief Justice Rehnquist really say that, the way I just read it from your book?" Jordan asked.

    "Uhhhh," Schenck replied. "I can't say that I remember."

    "Well, you're pretty darned specific here," Jordan said, noting that Schenck even included the case number in his book's account of what happened. "You made it a big deal about it's the first time it's ever happened. I'm just asking, did it really happen?"

    "I wish I could tell, I would have to go back and review that," Schenck said. Jordan again pressed about whether it happened, and Schenck said, "Possibly not."

    As it turned out, Jordan knew the answer, because he had an audio recording of Rehnquist from the day in question. He read a transcript and then played the recording for Schenck. Rehnquist did not say the word "reverend." (snip)



    Further down in the article:

    Following his grilling about Schenck's book, Jordan called the witness's credibility into question.

    "But we're supposed to believe you today," Jordan said. "We're supposed to take your word over Justice Alito's word? We're supposed to take your word over a lady who gave you dollars donated to your cause?"

    "One thing I've learned: People who mislead folks on small things mislead them on big things," Jordan said.

    "You know what? You can lie in a book, that's not a crime. You can lie to The New York Times, that's not a crime. But when you come in front of Congress, and you say things that are not true, you're not allowed to do that." (snip)

    The "F" Stick is a liar.
     
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    Yeah, I think some sort of reforms are overdue here, mainly because this "justice lobbying" has been fully welcomed by some members of this court...

    25%... BEFORE Dobbs

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/394103/confidence-supreme-court-sinks-historic-low.aspx

    BTW, somewhat related, who still has Alito as the front runner for the leak of his own opinion in Dobbs? Either personally or on his orders...
     
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    I see the House Judiciary Committee is off into the Wild Blue Yonder again trying to paint conservatives and Christians as wild eyed proselytizers. Boy will I be glad when the 'Pubs take over the chairmanship of all the House committees.
     
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    Thanks for presenting the truth. Quoted you just to bump it to keep the truth at the top of the thread.
     
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    Funny that it was one of the wild-eyes providing the paint and the brush....

    Can't wait until we learn more about Hunter's single-eyed unit from the flamethrowers...
     
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    I'm thinking you might want to read this post below....
     
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    Read it... awesome story.... and so well formatted, with all the bolding and underlining...

    Changes absolutely nothing, but I always enjoy attempts at entertainment.. It's all you guys have left...
     
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    Well, it's about time the behind the scenes "influence adgendas" are exposed to daylight. Can only help average Americans not hurt them.
     
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    Good to see some folks playing dirty like lefties do. It's about time. When Republicans start printing up ballots for elections and gerrymandering the playing field will be level.
     
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    Just the kind of gibberish I expected. I didn't "posts a story about something that happened YEARS ago". I referred to the subject of the hearing, which happened today, with testimony that came form that same hearing.

    You didn't even reference the hearing in your first post. You dangled tried to divert with "Hunter Biden". Where in this quote do you address the subject of the OP?

    You just posted more political gibberish.
     
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    Jim Jordan just pantsed this lying Reverend before the nation. This is cross examination in all it's glory.

    JIM JORDAN SINGLE HANDEDLY WRECKED THE DEMOCRATS’ ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE SUPREME COURT:

    “In a book Schenck wrote titled ‘Costly Grace,’ Schenck made a huge deal out of being recognized as ‘Reverend’ within the Supreme Court, making him the first person in history to be recognized by that title. However, in front of Jordan’s withering questions, that claim quickly collapsed. Watch as Jordan brutally obliterates Schenck’s false claims with transcripts and audio, and further proves that he’s not credible in any way.”

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    Lying 'Rev. Robert L. Schenck found himself during Thursday’s House Judiciary Committee Hearing. Schenck was supposed to be the Democrats’ star witness, but by the time Jordan was done with him, he was a smoking pile of ash.'

    Lying 'Schenck has already deemed as “not entirely credible” back in 1996 thanks to the Schenck v. Pro-Choice Network of Western New York case where Schenck’s brother Paul was a central figure of a lawsuit where he attempted to “provoke” an escort outside an abortion clinic.'

    "I don't recall" the lying 'Schenck brothers couldn’t recall details about the incident, including a moment where they had switched clothes in order to keep Robert’s identity confusing to pro-abortion advocates. This led the court to see them as “not credible.”'

    If I switched clothes with my brother, in court, I would remember.

    As Lying 'Schenck sat in front of the committee, Jordan brought down the thunder and discredited him even further. After raking him over the coals for his previous inability to be credible in any regard, Jordan now wheeled Schenck out for an all-out lie.'

    'In a book Schenck wrote titled “Costly Grace,” Schenck made a huge deal out of being recognized as “Reverend” within the Supreme Court, making him the first person in history to be recognized by that title. However, in front of Jordan’s withering questions, that claim quickly collapsed.'

    At the link watch Jordan brutally have his way with Lying Schenck’s lies, falsifying them with transcripts and audio. This lying 'Reverend' also pulled out the well worn "I don't remember" card under cross.

    Video at the link and well worth watching.

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    @JudiciaryGOP

    @Jim_Jordan OBLITERATES the credibility of the Democrats' star witness at today's hearing examining the Supreme Court.
     
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    If you had a point OR were interested in something other than gibberish, you wouldn't have posted your very first post on this thread.

    Now, you want to claim that OTHERS have red herrings!!!
     
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    Jim Jordan is a colossal jerk. What Jordan is doing is what lawyers often do to discredit a witness, trip up and pettifog an issue and make hey out of details that the witness got wrong. I am not impressed, and in fact, that video confirms what a total jerk Jordan is. I wanted to punch him in face. The man is not after the truth, he's after a right wing agenda

    I got your Jim Jordan, right here



    https://www.jordanscandal.com/
     
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    Your star witness 'reverend' is a shameless liar.
     
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    Jim Jordan has zero credibility, and your linking to 'redstate', cheap right wing blogs? What's next, Gateway pundit?

    I didn't get that at all from the video, what I got were cheap lawyer tricks to discredit a witness. Jordan isn't after the truth, he is NEVER after the truh.

    More over, google Jim Jordan and 'sex scandal' and that is the real jim jordan. Clearly, you are not after the truth. The first one sided presentation that comes along and your mind is made up.

    now then, let's see jim jordan discredit Sheldon Whitehouse, 'cause there's more to this story

     
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    Your 'Reverend' 'Advocate' was exposed as a bald-faced liar. You know it, and I know it. Jim asked him questions, showed him his own statements, then gave him an opportunity to explain why both the Supreme Court Transcript, and the Supreme Court AUDIO which he played so we could all hear what Chief Justice Rehnquist actually said, in his own voice, showed beyond any doubt that your big "Reverend Advocate" is a bald faced, self-promoting, shameless liar. And your shameless lying "Reverend" promptly turtled up, repeatedly played the "I don't remember" card, so that he did get charged with lying to Congress.
    Jim Jordan put on a clinic of lawyering at it's finest.
     
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    You taking a shot at creating rhetorical nonsense also? It was the second post on the thread. I didn't bring it up. I didn't make the Democrat chairman start this idiotic hearing. It bit them in the ass because they brought their witness up and Jordan proved him a liar in the same hearing that the article refers to in the WaPo article. WaPo neglected, ignored, forgot to mention Jordan's questions. We expect that kind of left leaning crap from WaPo.
     
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    You haven't addressed what the recording or the official transcript. He is very specific about the event and yet he can't remember all of a sudden he can't remember and then admits that it "possibly" didn't even happen. He's a liar. All you presented is some third grade level unproven smear tactic that you you don't even have the confidence that you could prove or else you would provide a valid link and not something from Media Matters, CNN, WaPo or NYT. It is actually YOU that is not after the truth with all those red herrings or whatboutist diversions. Now THAT is a red herring. There should be a fishing limit for those.
     
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    Third grade smear tactic? Jim Jordan is the master of third grade theatrics.

    Let's watch the entire hearing. I don't know the importance of that point? A good lawyer could cross examine you and trip you up, too. what does it prove? That you are human? IF you are honest, lets' watch the entire hearing and find out what it is all about. I sure as hell am not taking Jim Jordan, the sex fiend apologist guy, not taking his word for ****, I can tell you that right now. I mean, how many lies did Trump shout through the largest bullhorn in the world that Democrats stole the election, and not one peep out of any one on the right about that. One or two who had integrity did, but Jim Jordan sure as hell didn't care about it, and he cares about this? Screw him. .

    Screw that *******, you've not proven squat.

    ANd there is more to this story, THE TRUTH. Will you watch it? Are you really interested in finding out the truth? Or are you a sucker for cheap theatrics by Jim Jordan.

     
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    The left fell for fake news again, shocking.
     
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    You're pettifogging. Your big "advocate" "Reverend" is a bald-faced liar. His claim about what Chief Rehnquist said, compared with the Court Recorder transcript, and the audio in Chief Justice's own voice are dispositive. You should probably retract and apologize for bringing this lying, slandering, 'Reverend' clown to us as credible.
     
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    Explosive testimony proves Alito accuser is a liar

    Reverend Liar Pants By Jim Jordan In An Explosive Cross Examination

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    Good Lord The "Reverend" Liar never knew what hit him. Why would this "Reverend" just lie like that about what Chief Justice Rehnquist said, when we have Court Transcripts and AUDIO in the Chief Justice's own voice? How some of these pettifoggers on the Left can see the facts so clearly and unequivocally laid out and still pretend that this "Reverend" isn't lying his ass off about what Chief Justice Rehnquist said, is amazing.

    Some of 'the Democrats have been on a mission to discredit the Supreme Court over the past few years. They are interested solely in creating a Narrative that suits their purpose, and not even remotely interested in ensuring that they are being truthful.'

    Well yes, but it's so blindingly obvious in this example that I'm surprised that they are still pushing this clown. Even Stormy Daniels and the Porn Lawyer weren't publicly pantsed like this guy just was.

    Lying 'Rev. Robert Schenck claims that a colleague had told him that Alito had leaked the decision to her in the months prior to it being released. She denies this it vehemently. The Democrats, very unwisely, brought Rev. Schenck before the committee to spin his tale. Under cross examination by Jim Jordan his credibility was shredded.'

    '@Jim_Jordan OBLITERATES the credibility of the Democrats' star witness at today's hearing examining the Supreme Court.'

    'Robert Schenck is a grifter who sold out unborn babies for leftist approval.'

    'Jordan demonstrates that Schenck is an accomplished liar, as well as an utterly shameless one. He will simply invent a tale and sell it with a straight face.'

    Democrats tried to make this lying clown the 'star witness in their kangaroo court hearings aimed at a Congressional takeover of Supreme Court functions.'
     
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    You're the one that got caught with yet another fake OP.
    And this is why Democrats are so scared of Jordon. He exposes the lefts lies so easily.
    Your buddy wasn't tripped up. He couldn't answer the questions and the ones he did answer showed he was making this all it up.

    If he was simply tripped up Democrats could have cleared that up under questioning, but they couldn't.
    Your Democrat star witness is a liar just like most on the left these days
     
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    Your tiny little 'gotcha' doesn't prove squat. You can't handle the fact that a major anti abortionist who was prominent in the anti-abortionist, movement who demonstrated often about abortion and got jailed for it a number of times, has a change of heart, is lecturing about it and wrote a book about it.

    You can't handle the truth. But one little tiny thing you got on the man, who is doing very good deeds, and this is your issue.

    You've got your priorities bass ackwards.

    Isn't it true that you are, in fact, a hypocrite?

    Just asking.

    Why am I asking?

    Well, let's see...

    Trump lied about Obama being born in Kenya and you voted for him.

    Trump has told thousands of lies, he lies every time he opens his mouth, but you voted for him.

    He said on Howard Stern he loves to barge in on pageant teens in various stages of undress, because 'he owns the pageant and has a right to 'inspect' his 'property'.

    But you don't give a damn about that.

    You should apologize to this forum for voting for Trump.

    And did not you tell a prevarication when you accused Biden
    of running an 'international bribery business' without evidence?

    Did you not accuse Biden of 'grooming little girls' which implies he's a predator, when your only evidence is a photo that could easily be interpreted as a man who is overly affectionate, as if a Senator would commit sexual misconduct on a girl in a photo op, which defies logic, but there you go, accusing him with what, essentially, is not evidence.

    But, all, you like to twist the truth and twist to suit a right wing narrative, that you do, in spades. We've got your posts on this forum, as evidence.

    Seems you prevaricate just like the deviated prevert you voted for, donald Trump

    Your 'gotcha' is on a rather unimportant detail. But here is an important detail you could care less about:

    Jim Jordan is a sex predator's apologist, for not reporting that coach when Jordan was a witness.

    But you don't mind that at all.

    Hell, you should apologize to this forum for believing anything Jordan says or does, and you should favor impeaching him.

    Alito, and all of the three Trump appointments, Barret, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, lied to their teeth to the Senate, under oath, that they believed Roe was settled law, and/or DEFINITELY and INTENTIONALLY LEFT THAT IMPRESSION. Why? To make sure they were appointed. And don't give me any crap about parsing their words, that was the impression they deliberately gave. Even Sen Collins said she was lied to, to get her vote of approval for the senate.

    But you don't give a damn about that.

    And you voted for Trump, who is lying about Democrats stealing the election.

    YOu don't give a damn about that, either.

    But, when your justices like to the teeth to get appointed, you don't give a damn.

    Nah, you don't give a damn when right wingers lie to the teeth. Not at all. But if you catch a dem or two in some small lies, or twist the facts, such as when Biden or Obama gets a fact wrong, which is not the definition of a lie, then you got a problem and you guys on the right will call it a lie, is itself, a lie. Hypocrisy oozes from the right.

    In fact, Republican Administrations are rife with crime, but don't give a rat's ass about that, either.

    8 of Trump's selections for his staff were convicted, they are all felons now. Trump, himself, is an unindicted co-conspirator in tax fraud, Trump org is guilty on all 17 counts, and you voted for him.

    Trump screwed thousands out of millions and had to settle out of court for $25,000,000, and did you apologize for voting for Trump?

    But, when you find one little small detail about a whistleblower who has had a change of heart on abortion, in a very big way now you got a problem with that.

    Your little 'gotcha' on a SMALL point doesn't prove squat.

    But it makes sense that you'd harp on a small detail like that, given who you are.

    We've pulled your covers, Mr. H-word.

    now apologize.

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