Abolish the IRS? Now that would be a change!

Because we have a spending problem. Obviously.

 

The bottom line is that the only people this allows the IRS to go after are people who forget they sold their lawnmower to someone via Paypal.

 

The defense is in the military no that was part of the founding you should pay attention.

DHS doesn't do anything it's a bureaucracy. All it does is mooch.

 

technically you'll tell me people that are capable of bringing an income that have mortgage debt and credit card debt we're talking 85,000 for every single man woman and child in the country.

So the government is so irresponsible and stupid with money that a 3-week-old infant has 85,000 worth of debt.

no consumer debt doesn't cause national debt national debt is caused by reckless in idiotic spending by the government which responsible people don't have the ability to oversee.

So because there were war debts fighting the revolution and temporary taxes levied The government can just go hog wild like a 19 year old with Daddy's credit card?

 

Do companies have a spending problem?

The difference between government and business is the reason why they spend. All spending is based on laws and expectations of the populace as a whole. the "conservatives" who think that government spending should be cut are only on programs they don't agree with even though the populace as a whole disagrees with them. The same goes with Democrats who make spending.

So, if we have one million in tax revenue and 5 million in expenditures, and the only agency is the Dod with the 5 million in expenditures, is that a spending or revenue problem?

What you need to look at is not an either/or situation, it is both.

 

that does not apply here. Use a better analogy.

 

the point was that you used that we need to cut 99.9% of the spending. Since that includes Defense and DHS, I was asking which will come first. You failed the answer and deflected.

 

In the private world, if a person is deeply in debt, they will not cut expenses. They will try to raise reveneu, renegotiate the terms of the debt to help them in the long run, etc. Translate that to government, expenses are not necessarily true, but it could be a revenue problem. Look no one likes to pay taxes. No sales tax, not property tax, not income tax, and definitely not teriffs. I dealt with all of that in my professional career. Most try to do the best they can do. But there are few who create ways after ways to escape that. A few of them get caught, but not all. And the ones biggest about "cutting the IRS" and everyone everything else has a personal gain in their mind in one form or another. That is the reality of the world we live in.

I don't think the government is irresponsible. A few who are debating this topic are, using hyperbolic political talking points without even thinking critically about what the long term brings in those arguments. Just a political victory at any and all costs, people be damned and country be damned.

You may want to look at the rules and why some conservatives want to CUT the Military Budget. I do think the military budget needs to get rid of fraud, waste, and abuse, but that is more on the procurement side than anything else. It also means going against the Military Industrial Complex and their lobbying groups have their hands in pretty both political parties to stop that type of investigation. At the same time, I also want new technology, new weapons, and new military equipment to be developed to help in the long run. And that takes money, but more often than not, it is wasted after we were trying this for 10 years or so.

Debt is debt is debt. We had war debt during the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, The US-Philippine Wars, the Banana Wars, World War 1, World War 2, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1 and Gulf War 2. We had debt during the Severe Recession and Debt during Covid that were necessary. But debt is debt and since someone like you does not like debt, then we are going to need to fight with one or both hands tied behind our back while you guys think pixie dust will repair those roads, infrastructure, government services, etc.

 

Works quite well, but I understand why you'd like to do anything possible to avoid the bottom line.

 

It doesn't make a difference. I would say defense because they seem to keep losing trillions of dollars with no accounting for it.

DHS shouldn't exist in the first place as it does nothing except for Hoover up tax money that it doesn't need

 

you've been there subject to bankruptcy foreclosure and repossession when they don't just get to take out another $500,000 worth of debt like the government does.

the government cannot raise revenue they do not have revenue all they do is take everyone else makes revenue and they take a cut and kind of like a mafia if this happened from any other organization in any other sector it would be considered a crime.

So government can't take revenue all it can deal is steal more from people who generate revenue.

then you don't know what that word means the government is like a 19 year old who has 26 million dollars in debt and they're taking out a loan to buy a Bugatti.

I don't buy the Doom and gloom argument that we must have the government fund them all of this money that they then waste on nonsense so that we can be safe they've never kept us safe they shouldn't keep us safe that's not their job they're not a mommy I don't think governments work well when they're treated like a mommy.

they're tripping over themselves to pay for transition surgeries for people they are wasting money they don't know what they're doing their budget should absolutely be cut.

I think a good first step is cutting off all the frivolous nonsense the three letter agencies I listed all of those gone tomorrow I bet that would free up a good chunk of the budget and all that should just be dissolved and the government shouldn't collect taxes on it anymore they need to be brought to heal.

not all of this debt was necessary. Recessions often or exacerbated or even completely caused by government stupidity and incompetence. There should have been no dead added on the covid our economy was going gangbusters until vindictive ******* governors decided to shut down our economy what we should have done was immediately arrest them for locking down their state and try them for treason.

The things you think are necessary are not necessary that's because you want government to be your mommy and wipe your little notice when you have coded one really what should have happened is governor's face charges of treason for attempting to stage a coup in their state.

There should be no ability to tell people they must shut down their company. From the government I don't care if there is a virus or not that's just an excuse to install a dictatorship.

 

Talk about a bad analogy.

Government and business have nothing to do with each other, especially when it comes to spending.

If your spending is five times your income then it's only a matter of time before you have to make worse cuts, so it's still a spending problem.

You can't tax yourself into prosperity.

 

It is government that would have too much to lose in my view. I'm talking about power and control.

 

No it does not because the chances of being audited based on that scenario is very remote unless the person was conducting garage sales as a business. And that too is rare, about as rare as a personal tax return having a year ending other than December 31, aka a fiscal year.

 

Sure. It was rare at 200 transactions and $20k.

Now they changed it so they could do it more often.

 

So you want to make this country unprotected. Got it. Nice to know.

 

Not as rare as you might think. The 1099-K was issued unless it was not required, namely corporations. But I have seen plenty of partnerships with 8 and 9 figure gross receipts and receive 1099-k returns. Even Restaurants receive this now considering that 95% of their transactions are done by the plastic card payment system. I have seen this with taxi, uber, and Lyft drives as well. But it is not rare.

But the point is that the 1099-K was passed with a bicameral GOP house control and a Democratic President.

 

The point is that in the private sector, one will raise money either by more borrowing, aka rob peter to pay paul, or get another job, something where they can earn money. They will also renegotiate their debt, or at least try to, with the various debtors. But in the end, they won't cut any expenses. They won't expand their expenditures, but they won't cut expenses generally.

Government can and does raise money, aka additional taxes, when necessary. We did this in 1942 during WW2. We also did this in the Civil War where Lincoln put forth the estate tax first, and then an income tax. It was even proposed in 1812 to help pay for the War of 1812. But our government has done this in the past.

Second, among the OECD countries, personal income taxes is amongst the lowest in the industrialized world. And we complain it is too high? Compared to Sweeden, Denmark, Germany, or even the UK, our personal income tax system is not too high, it is too low. I am not proposing a top marginal rate of 45%, but I am not proposing lowering the top marginal rate either.

Taxes is necessary for those roads, bridges, military, and all the other government programs and agencies that help us keep our first-world problems down to a minimum. It is the price we pay to live in a civilized society.

Not really. It is like a board of directors, 535 to be precise, each with their own agenda and idea on what to do, how to do it, and to what extent to do it. All being pulled in 535 directions. That being said, the agencies are set there by law, and mandated by law and the US Constitution, that ordinary and necessary clause. But none of the agencies are out to get you. They have a job and it is mostly a tought job, something that you will never understand at all.

So here is the crux of your argument. You are all in favor of debt as long as it is to programs you like. However, recessions are economic cycles based. And our government does not control our economy, and it never has. But then again, I guess you are blaming the Hoover Administration for the Great Depression because it was his government's fault by doing nothing? Whether it is a pandemic or anything else, the government and the Constituitonal principles employed will not allow a dictatorship unless the people want it. Enter Trump and the MAGA crowd who wanted exactly that all because they lost the election. Son, you are on the wrong side of the river and the wrong side of history in all aspects. Congrats.

 

You think you need a mommy to protect you? Sad to know.

Mommy government do everything for me please.

 

The point is the government is like a 16 year old going to hog wild at the mall with Daddy's credit card.

 

I see the pros and cons of abolishing the irs. it's very corrupt currently, and being flooded with liberals, just like they corrupted the FBI and DOJ.

As long as the democrat politicians couldn't make the single tax method into their socialist dream of 30 percent taxes someday, then I'm all for the abolishment.

there should be a tax cap. And that should be put into law. and several laws should be put into place, so it can never be taken out of law, unless the voters of America wanted to do so, and not the actualy Politicians.

 

The House requires a supermajority to pass a tax hike?

And it does look like a tax increase.

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They can probably fix this by exempting food from the tax.

 

The existence of the 1099-k is not the issue, but your obtuse argument knows that.

 

I'm sure it was rare when it was limited to $20k and 200 transactions.

That's why they changed it.

 

Actually it is, because that is the reason why you are harping on this issue. The change you are talking about is with the 1099-K issuance, which came about when GOP controlled Congress when Obama was president.