‘Died Suddenly’? More Than 1-in-4 Think Someone They Know Died From COVID-19 Vaccines

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  1. Irrational thinker

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    Vaccines are meant to prevent infection (meaning that one doesn't become infected with the disease that one is being vaccinated against). I've already provided you with the CDC web archive that supports this position, even though you, like the CDC, now pretend that the "old definition" never existed.

    Preventing infection is the whole purpose of vaccines, as immune systems themselves already provide one with protection against infection.

    Yet another paradox.

    [1] An infection has occurred.
    [2] The immune system stopped an illness from occurring.

    Which is it?

    Exposure is different from infection. Here, you have been EXPOSED, and subsequently protected to the point where infection has been prevented.

    WRONG. See above.

    This part you have right, but you really don't understand the whole process.

    Viruses, in order to cause infection, first have to get through a whole plethora of defenses (such as the mucus membranes). Those defenses are all a part of the 'innate immune system'. This part of the immune system works for any virus, even viruses that a person hasn't been previously exposed to. Then there are additional defenses which are all a part of the 'adaptive immune system'. This part of the immune system "adapts" over time, upon exposure to antigens, and has a "memory" to better respond to specific antigens upon further exposure to them.

    Vaccinations are more or less an artificial way of providing "first exposure" (via injection of attenuated/inactivated viruses), thus artificially providing the adaptive immune system with "memory" to better respond to any future natural exposure. Thus, the entire point of vaccinations is to "skip over" the unpleasant stage of getting infected (sick) due to the "memory" already being injected into one's immune system beforehand. If a person still gets infected anyway, then the whole purpose of vaccination is essentially defeated as one's experience in that case is effectively the same as if one just allowed nature to take its course via natural exposure.

    COVID mRNA jabs, on the other hand, are not injecting any attenuated/inactivated viruses into one's body like vaccines do. Rather, these particular jabs are more of a "treatment" that is supposed to instruct one's body to generate "spike proteins" as a means for the adaptive immune system to gain "memory" of the "COVID virus". However, this process is now fiddling around with how one's body functions.
     
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    Lisa Marie Presley died. Within a day someone will claim Covid 19 was the cause.
     
  4. James California

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    ~ This happened when government is influenced by evil, bored wealthy elites with nothing else to do.
    During an interview with the Financial Times Bill Gates said people should not have a choice about getting vaccinated. "People act like you have a choice. There will be the ability, particularly in rich countries, to open up if things are done well over the next few months. But for the world at large, normalcy only returns when we've largely vaccinated the entire global population."

     
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    Lisa Marie Presley died.

    The Covid 19 jab's, was without a doubt, the most likely cause.
     
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    When you are Scrooge McDuck rich you get to call your shots
     
  7. James California

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    ~ Sad but true ... As long as "we the people " allow these elites to interfere in our government it shall continue. :-?
     
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    Her death is very similar to others taken by the clot shots.
     
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    Or various other types of shots
     
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    ~ What shots in particular ..?
     
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    My guess would be the same ones her daddy liked
     
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    ~ Her Daddy took pills ... and gave away Cadillacs.
     
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    Yes he did
     
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    India is suffering soaring incidence of cardiac events in younger people too. It can't be the mRNA vaccines, because they couldn't afford them and never used them. Maybe SarsCovid2 affects the young after all.
     
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    No it was not and you clearly do what you do take something completely unrelated and make it the same because your preconceived agenda and bias lends you to create connections that all neatly coincide to fit your bias.

    She was a heroin addict. Her son had died and she fell off the wagon after he died and began using again. She had struggled with heroin addiction and cocaine addiction for years. Both obviously were significant factors as was the fact she had a pre-existing heart condition and the same one that killed her father.

    The fact that the other poster sneered about the connection and now you make it is pathetic and I say out and out pathetic. I raised it because within minutes of hear death false gossip started. Look at you, you couldn't wait to snap at the worm on the hook.
     
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    Yes Col. Point taken and I wish some of our "friends" would grasp it.

    It is dangerous to speculate about why people die unless you know the actual cause of death. We can see on this forum the amount of absolute horse crap spread on supposed deaths related to Covid with zero proof of connection other than some genius saying because someone died it must have been the shot.

    We know in North America heart disease and subsequent cardiac related conditions including fatalities have been linked directly to obesity in children, i.e., poor diet and a direct link to both diabetes and high bad cholesterol counts.

    Now we have geniuses saying its the vaccine.

    These geniuses need to find out what the protocol is for vaccines. People with heart conditions of all kinds are screened out from taking the virus or watched carefully.

    Adverse effects properly tested for their causal relation to any vaccine are being done and unlike the geniuses on this forum, they are done using proper objective analysis.

    Have a nice day. (if I die today I blame you why not Col. it makes as much sense as blaming the vaccine, never mind it was Vladimir Putin who got me!!!!)
     
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    Any examples?
     
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    Oh Lord, Cry Me A River. :lol:
     
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    ~ India began administration of COVID-19 vaccines in January 2021. As of December 2022, India has administered over 2.19 billion doses overall, including first, second and "booster" doses of the currently approved mRNA vaccines. Now they too are suffering from side-effects.
     
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    I think I deserve a billion dollars. I bet more than 1 in 4 think that. Doesn't make it true.

    There's what we think and then there's reality. They don't always line up.

    The data doesn't support this. Not even close.

    All of these athletes? Which "all" are you referring to? And how does what people believe matter one bit?
     
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    What are these so called "side effects?" And how are they linked to the vaccine? That's probably not the right term anyway.
     
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    Heroin, speed and whatever else is the rage of the moment.
     
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    You realize all the things listed in both of these are also side effects of getting Covid, right? Also a side effect of Covid, death. Not on either of your list though, so that's good.

    In other words, duh. The most common things you feel when you get a virus are caused by your immune response. Inflammation, that's you doing that to YOU to get the invader OUT of your tissue. Vomiting? That's your body trying to relive nausea. Chills? That's your body's way of getting your white blood cells moving. Pain at the injection site? Yeah, you were poked with a needle snowflake.

    In short, none of this is compelling in the slightest and all expected from any vaccine. Your link shows not only how safe but how effective the vaccine is. So....thanks I guess?
     
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    Is that from an increase of drug traffickers and other crims that 'cross' from the 'open southern borders' that are apparently, "secure"?
     

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