"They’re trying to George Floyd me" before dead

Reasonable to be seized, yes.
But not seized in an unreasonable way. That's violating the constitutional rights of the person who gets seized.

Again: It is reasonable to be seized.
But not seized in an unreasonable way. That's violating the constitutional rights of the person who gets seized.

Excess violence by the police is flat out unconstitutional, so says the 4th amendment. That's where BLM marches in. The fact that you do not understand the constitution proves there is actually a need for BLM. You give them that purpose! lol

 

Rule 1 should be for the white cops in the US: obey the US constitution, specifically the idea the part where black people also fall under the 4th amendment that outlaws excess force by the cops at all times.

 

Most police allow ride alongs. Request one.
You think you know what goes on. You don’t.
Police are “America’s garbage men”. First on the scene of senseless and horrific crimes, first called when an abandoned building starts to stink and that old guy hasn’t been seen fora while.
They have to go “hands on” when a perp is uncooperative and declares by word or action “you are not taking me in today.”
Do ask for a ride in the toughest beat. You’ll appreciate them locking you in the car for your safety when they exit.

 

Those toughest beats are indeed rough gigs and I would argue demand the greatest levels of training for all LEO that work in those areas. However, just because some beats in some towns are tough does not mean all the other LEOs in the nation should not also be given the highest levels of training as well. We do not train our police forces adequately nor do we manage them effectively. Police unions in particular are essentially protection rackets. Let's allow the firemen of this nation teach the policemen of this nation how to train and behave on the job. Our firemen and women are exceptional, they are training constantly, stay in great shape and rarely do you see one in the news for some abuse of power.

 

The guy was not violently resisting at all. No cop was injured. In fact, the victim did not even attempt to kick, hit, bite, spit a cop in any kind of remote way.

Seems about typical for a far right wing nationalist to not care about the constitution that outlaws excess force by the government.

There was no excess resistance. There was only excessive force.

 

Maybe you should propose to also cancel the 2nd amendment if you don't care about the 4th.

 

Cops kill more white people than blacks. And there were a couple years where black police officers killed more black people than the white officers killed black people. Has nothing to do with race and is instead an issue of the Police overuse of force. They are too busy chasing racism to deal with real issues.

 

With the small number of people killed each year by police, we have databases with each incident already.

I linked to one such list already from 2016 detailing every person shot by police.

The number of egregious killings of people of any race every year are certainly less than a dozen out of millions and millions of arrests every year.

Your premise also doesn't survive scrutiny based on the fact that many of these police departments in locations with some of the highest officer involved shootings have a high percentage of black officers.

Every leftist in the country is out to prove that police are "racist". If the evidence was there, they'd be crowing about it daily.

Instead, they can only resort to a few individual cases every year out of millions upon millions of police interactions.

 

Actually, it proves it.

 

You dont think discrimination might play a part as opposed to racism?

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” Jesse Jackson

 

For every black person killed by LEO's in the line of duty, two whites are killed. Do you know their names? LEO's are two-three times as likely to be murdered by a black as by a white. Per capita, blacks murder blacks at five times the rate that whites murder whites. And blacks murder whites at twelve-fifteen times the rate that whites murder blacks. So if you want to talk race and society, know that blacks are the victimizers, not the victims of society.

 

Typical far right wing extremist point. I'm calling this one out.
%-wise the kill more black people than white. It fits in the bigger picture how cops, predominantly white, pull over black people far more often while white people have a higher chance of being pulled over / black people being pulled over at night is lower = conclusion that they are triggered by skin color. Cops also arrest black people on drugs related issues 5 times more often than white people, even though it's well known that white people do an equal amount of crime. THat too falls in the picture of cops having a racist issue.

And what's up with you ignoring that cops endlessly breach he 4th amendment by using excess force all the time.
You're on your way with derailing this thread.

 

So %-wise they kill black people far more often, since black people are like what? Only 12%?
Typical far right wing extremist point. I'm calling this one out.

 

Are you aware you're using the First to prove you don't understand the Fourth?

 

Cops gotta deal with crimnal creeps like this everyday, this animal assaulted a pregnant woman and then resisted arrest and bit a chunk out of a officers hand. Had that been my hand, it wouldn't have ended well for this filthy beast, but the people standing around are more concerned for the disgusting beast rather than the wellfare of the officer who was bitten. Such a sickening society that cares more about violent criminals rather than the officers that are trying to protect society. This guy needed to be controlled with the MOST! extreme tactics available and couch sitting Liberals think they'd be able to handle this kind of circumstances better, by just letting them go to assault someone else.

 

For some of these animals, police need an elephant-dose injectable sedative, super-strong taser that can instantly knock someone unconscious, and some batons to knock them out.

Unfortunately the problem is, when you hand government officials a tool, there will be a tendency for them to overuse that tool, even in situations when it's not appropriate.
"For someone who has a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

 

Outside of sheer numbers, where LEO's kill twice as many whites as blacks. If you are wondering why blacks are killed at a higher rate per capita than whites are by LEO's. It's because they commit far more crimes per capita necessitating a higher rate of law enforcement intercession. Then they are more aggressive and combative with LEO's than are whites who are more likely to comport to a LEO's commands. A similar principle is at play in the high incarceration rates of blacks. Completely outside of racial, legal, or LEO influence, blacks murder other blacks at five times the rate that whites murder whites. So blacks are five times more murderous than whites of their own kinds. And blacks murder whites at fifteen times the rate that whites murder blacks per capita. So blacks are fifteen times as murderous of whites than whites are of blacks. A LEO is also two-three times as likely to be murdered by a black than by a white. So blacks are more criminalistic, more murderous of their own kind, far more murderous of whites, and more murderous of LEO's than are whites. Want more proof? Do you watch TV? Have you seen the senseless beatings, beat downs, car jackings, subway assaults, and videos of riots. The vast majority of the violence, arson, lootings and mayhem are by blacks. That isn't a white supremacist slant. It's factual, visual, tangible, actual reality, as opposed to the baseless BS the left keeps pumping out. So put a lid on the poor mouthing about blacks. As a race they aren't victims of society. They are the victimizers. They also gobble up a massive amount of tax payer welfare and other resources. You aren't doing them any favors by coddling their decay, and blaming society who is their victim. I get how you got to this point via left wing conditioning. But IMO it is satanic.

 

it wasn't an unreasonable way.

no it isn't. Show me in the Constitution where the police are not allowed to subdue you because you're under investigation for committing a felony.

you're just making **** up. There's nothing about the way you are seized in the Constitution never said anything about it

Agreed but it wasn't excess in this case. The guy resisted until it killed him that's his own fault.

it isn't really they've notoriously been wrong over and over and over again. Really what they are is a scam to give millions of dollars to Patrice colors.

This nonsense you made up isn't in the Constitution. There is not a method for which to seize somebody in the Constitution. You don't have the constitutional right to resist and be free of felony investigation.

The Constitution does not cover this. Nobody ever needs BLM because Patrice colors doesn't need another mansion and that's all it is. You are being scammed.

 

Thank you for that precise informative explanation of how it's not White people that are the problem in this country, but the Black community. Facts are facts, but Liberals try their best to convince people the facts are Racist, just for mentioning them. I'll NEVER! stop pointing out who the REAL! problem in American society and the greatest danger to the public.

 

I don't think you know what my premise was. My premise was only that actual data and a good study design are required to answer the question. You seem to say the raw data suggests police use of force is not racist. Hopefully that's true. I haven't really seen a robust analysis of it.

 

There are over 5 million arrests per year. One to two thousand of those result in people getting killed.

That's a 0.0004 rate.

Kind of hard to insinuate any conclusions from that.

 

Thats the inherent problem with CRT. ANY racial disparity that disfavors blacks IS PRESUMED to be the product of systemic racism BY DEFINITION. No study required.

 

With a .0005 rate instead for blacks, they would proclaim as a conclusion of fact that the police are irredeemably racist. I often point to the issue of voter ID as a demonstration of the absurdity of CRT. While 96% of whites have ID, only 94% of blacks do so. With that tiny disparity CRT concluded that voter ID laws are RACIST. Jim Crow 2.0 and a threat to our democracy. Really is absurd.

 

Only that each arrest is a low per-event chance of death. But a sample size of 2000 is pretty good to have sufficient study power. Look at black deaths vs white deaths, control for data on what actions or circumstances may have increased the chances of death, and see if they're significantly different.

 

I don't think that's inherent to CRT, but you're correct that such presumptions should not be made, and are made by some people.