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  1. dixon76710

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    From 1977, thats the pre CRT definition that now excludes the bolded part. Now replaced with Kendi's version.

    When I see racial disparities, I see racism. Kendi

    For a good example, his view on a reduction in capital gains. Such a reduction benefits wealthy people. The older definition you posted wouldnt consider a capital gains reduction as institutional racism because wealth explains the racial disparity. Fewer blacks are wealthy so the racial disparity is better explained by the differences in wealth.
    “How To Be An Antiracist” is Wrong on its Facts and in its Assumptions. (city-journal.org)
     
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    Well, I don't agree with Kendi as quoted. But the law you cited goes further than that, and I would hesitate to ban even ideas I disagree with from being discussed in school.
     
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    CRT is literally a communist lie, an ideology of hatred and evil, where the ONLY answer to everything is mythical racism. It ignores every factor for every topic and always just lies and regurgitates the same false conclusion. It was designed to be that way because it was designed to be a lie.
     
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    Well first CRT is a self-refuting philosophy. Essentially what it says is the way in which we order society is white supremacy and the way in which we would go about repairing it would be using white supremacy. So we have to have white supremacy to fight white supremacy so it's kind of absurd.

    I understand it's purpose in training lawyers but outside of that it has no value.

    It seems what you're referring to is the bias for the majority. And in one way or another everyone feels this because in one way or another everyone's in minority and something.

    For example I'm a white guy I'm cisgendered and that's apparently supposed to mean something but I'm gay. I understand I live in a world of straight people. The difference between me and the people ranting about CRT is how I accept it.

    Fairy tales are going to involve princesses and princes finding true love because that's the archetype of humanity. It's okay I can even derive meaning from the stories. And it goes so far as to if they try to make these a prince meets a prince I find it insulting.

    So biased toward the majority is a systemic thing that we all have to deal with and we all have to just eventually accept because that's the way things are.

    I think of the US is the absolute best at not enforcing the bias of the majority as the rule. That was the whole point of the country's founding.

    I'm not going to preach at you about how downtrodden and misrepresented I am. I don't think I'm better that much.

    So the whole complaint about systemic racism in almost all facets of life is about being a minority.

    If you look at your life not that you should look at yourself as a victim but there's probably something about you that makes you a minority. Maybe you belong to a certain religion or maybe you have red hair who knows. You understand rugged masculinity never includes gingers. Because cute little freckles and pale skin is not rugged masculinity.

    I think the problem is is just accepting that you're different than moving on.
     
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    I know what appealed to authority is I'm very very familiar with logical fallacies.

    I didn't appeal to authority. I asked you what is your authority. Apparently it's just that you watched a video. So none whatsoever at all.
    I absolutely agree that that would be an appeal to authority I didn't say that you made a straw man fallacy. You misrepresented what I said.

    I was challenging your authority and you don't have any. That's not appealing to the authority of the cops maybe what they did was wrong they could face court cases for it. They are an authority on the situation they were in more so than you because they were in it and you weren't.

    You can armchair quarterback from your layman's perspective to your heart's delight I don't accept it as any more than a layman's perspective.

    That's not appealing to authority that's the opposite of it.
    It doesn't matter I didn't appeal to authority I was questioning yours.

    And it seems like I was wise to question it because you don't have any. You just watch the video outside of any contextual knowledge and you think that makes you an expert on something.

    I'm not saying what they did was justified I'm just saying I don't know.
     
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    I was introduced to the term systemic from a biological perspective. Not that I'm a biologist I just have a hobby level of curiosity.

    And essentially testosterone is systemic in men it is part of the anatomy. To separate it is to destroy it.

    So I think systemic racism is a bad use of the word because you're saying to separate this from our culture will destroy it.

    I think what a lot of people call systemic racism is just a majority bias. Like the idea of female beauty. It seems to say the standard is northwestern Europe fitting this profile with these features. That's not sexist against women it's not racist against Asian women or black women. Because of these people can be beautiful too. It's just that it's not the archetype that's systemic but it's not racist.

    What I find beautiful is first mitten strictly particularly slim men and tight fitting clothing. So I am way way outside of the systemic bias and it's okay because there's room for me.

    Our country went through a very painstaking process I've watched it I was part of it to make room for me.

    So to sit here and cry about how it's not good enough and how I need the majority to agree with me isn't fighting against systemic racism or systemic homophobia whatever you want to put after systemic. It's petulant self-centeredness.


    I argued that that's not systemic racism I don't think racism can be systemic if it was the culture would have died.

    Systemic means part of the system woven into the fabric.

    Let's say you had red white and blue plaid if you pulled out all of the blue it would fall apart.

    I don't think racism is that integral to our society.

    It seems Wikipedia is saying majority bias is systemic racism and it's not. It's majority bias.

    Have you ever seen someone use the word normal and you ask what that means? It doesn't mean some people are normal and some people are abnormal. It means this is what the majority does and if you don't do it you're not normal in that regard and you don't get to be that's not racism that's reality.

    Have you ever heard of the country called Japan? They have a pretty homogeneous culture and I'm betting if you're a black person let's say a black gay man you do not represent Japanese culture it's okay you can still be Japanese it's just you're not the majority. You don't go to Japan to hang out with gay black people.




    I think that's the fault of the way people are educated you read Wikipedia to get an understanding have you ever wondered why Wikipedia is a scholarly source?

    It's little more than a popularity contest so if someone wants systemic racism to exist that they just to make a Wikipedia article about it. And people read it thinking it's real that's how misinformation happens. I bet reading what I just said strict record with you.
    Well this further buttress is my point the way you can say black men get shot by the police more that's imputing into you by popularity it's not by knowledge. Per police interaction you stand a higher likelihood of being shot and killed by the police if you're a white man then any other race.

    So if this form of populism education can get you to an absolutely wrong viewpoint what else are you wrong about?

    It's easy to believe black men are killed by police more because the news talks about it and you hear about it. It's kind of like how people worry more about mass shootings at schools then they do suicide despite the fact that death by gunshot is most likely a suicide then being shot in a mass shooting.

    It's like setting fire to your house because you're afraid to get struck by lightning.

    I know this is a postmodernist idea but are you really should question these narratives they'll trick you into believing and things that don't even exist.
     
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    Then you dont agree with one of the basic principles of CRT
     
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