Tyre Nichols beating: Race Theory vs CRITICAL Race Theory

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  1. Pollycy

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    It gets even scarier and perhaps more compelling in comparison with this Tyre Nichols tragedy when you delve into all the accounts of Jews who collaborated with the Nazi police elements and betrayed other Jews (German and otherwise) for round-up, incarceration, torture, and murder! That was a situation where it was "Jew versus Jew" -- and in Memphis, it can be observed that the parallel was "Black versus Black". The injustices have this in common, though -- they were SYSTEMIC -- and not anything related directly to "anti-Semitism" (in the case of Jews in Germany), or simple "racism" (in the case of Tyre Nichols).
     
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    And that in a nutshell is the basis of CRT. A theory.
    Where systems have been designed, on purpose or unintentionally, to inflict discrimination.
     
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    Why should I care about this Kendi's views?

    And from your link, what does this have to do with CRT?

    ...
    On December 1, 1862—a month before he issued the Emancipation Proclamation—President Abraham Lincoln wrote to Congress. He was not yet the Great Emancipator. Instead, he proposed to become the Great Compensator.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Directly refutes your assertions that CRT is only in universities.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Such strong opinions regarding matters you know nothing about

    The African American reparations struggle is intrinsically related to critical race theory in that it is not simply a struggle for reparations, but also a struggle against racism.
    W.E.B Du Bois, Reparations, Radical Politics, and Critical Race Theory (taylorfrancis.com)
     
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    It did?
    Where?
    How?
    Explain.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Here's my view of reparations.
    So stop spamming with off topic reparations post. It's not CRT related.

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    Du Bois's writings on race and racism have been relegated to the realm, at best, of sociology,
     
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    Perhaps the meaning of pedagogy escapes you.

    What does pedagogy mean in teaching?
    Pedagogy refers to the method and practices of a teacher. It's how they approach their teaching style, and relates to the different theories they use, how they give feedback, and the assessments they set. When people refer to the pedagogy of teaching, it means how the teacher delivers the curriculum to the class.

    CRT is in schools. 30 friggin years ago it was primarily in universities.
     
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    Because Dubois isn't a CRTer
     
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    The race hustlers that are pushing the 1619 propaganda are the same folks swooping in like vultures to the dead body of Tyre.

    DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HISTORY: Hulu’s 1619 Project Docuseries Peddles False History.

    The first false claim of 1619: 'The assertion that British overtures toward emancipation impelled the American colonists into revolution.'

    And this revisionism of history is in service of the false narrative that White Folks are hunting Black Folks and beating them to death in streets, today. The most dangerous thing to a black male is another black male.
     
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    Yeah. Slave owners conscripted their slaves to fight with the British against those seeking independence.
     
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    Derrick Bell, who developed Interest Convergence Theory. This holds that white people only allow rights to black people when it benefits themselves. Bell also argued that racism has not improved at all and is, in fact, permanent.
    Demystifying Critical Race Theory so We Can Get to the Point - Counterweight (counterweightsupport.com)

    Thus the CRT policy prescription-

    "The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”
     
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    He drew an unsettling conclusion: racism is so deeply rooted in the makeup of American society that it has been able to reassert itself after each successive wave of reform aimed at eliminating it. Racism, he began to argue, is permanent.
    The Man Behind Critical Race Theory | The New Yorker

    The myth is sweet but ultimately disabling and dangerous, he believes, because it denies to both blacks and whites understanding of a truth that is almost exactly the opposite: that racism is not a passing phase but a permanent feature of American life, and that the path is marked not by real progress but by occasional short-lived judicial or legislative victories that serve to obscure the underlying truth even more.
    The End of Racism, and Other Fables (nytimes.com)
     
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    In both cases it's very likely, as I already stated in the OP, that the people weren't racists but victims of propaganda. Before the Nazis came to power, there was particular animosity against Jews in Germany. Propaganda changed all that. Even though, in our case, the the path from slavery, Jim Crowe to today is pretty clear, there is also a great deal of propaganda going on, which has been particularly exacerbated in the last few years.
     
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    There are NO policy prescriptions by CRT. As I said, that's beyond the scope of CRT. Which is just the model. Politicians and activists can derive whatever "prescriptions" they want from the model. But those are a matter of personal preference. Not intrinsic to the model. There are about as many "prescriptions" to address institutional racism as there are politicians and activists.
     
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    From she who coined the name Critical Race Theory

    But critical race theory is not a single worldview; the people who study it may disagree on some of the finer points. As Professor Crenshaw put it, C.R.T. is more a verb than a noun.
    What Is Critical Race Theory? A Brief History Explained - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Such as

    "The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

    or reparations. No doubt youve convinced yourself that you are better able to define what CRT is than Derick Bell or Kimberlee Crenshaw.
     
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    Wonderful. There are STILL no "prescriptions" in CRT. Just models to describe that phenomenon.

    Just in case, let me explain that CRT is not a religion. It's a framework. There are no "authorities" or "prophets" that you are required to follow blindly.

    With that out of the way, if you had a point to make, don't forget to make it.
     
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    A model is a noun. CRT is a verb. One could use a model to better understand features of society, but that's not what Critical Theory does.

    Max Horkheimer first defined critical theory (German: Kritische Theorie) in his 1937 essay "Traditional and Critical Theory", as a social theory oriented toward critiquing and changing society as a whole, in contrast to traditional theory oriented only toward understanding or explaining it. Wanting to distinguish critical theory as a radical, emancipatory form of Marxist philosophy,

    Kind of like a climate model. They arent a tool to understanding or explaining the climate, but instead a tool to transform our economy. CRT is a method of "changing society"

    And the point is that CRT DOES consider racism to be inherent and permanent AND advocates policy to counter the effects of this racism. Such as reparations. Your wrong on all three counts.
     
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    WHAT???

    Are you CRTing me?

    I sure hope you're talking figuratively. Your whole post HAS to be the joke of the month. For example...

    Somethin has the word "Critical" in it, and you conclude that if some Marxist wrote everything that has the word "Critical" is Marxist????

    "Critical" just meant that it CRITICIZES whatever comes after it. For instance, Critical Race Theory CRITICIZES Race Theory. You give Marxists waaaaay more credit than they deserve.

    Now the question is: what am I doing here responding to this nonsense! I should be CRTing somebody.
     
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    Im using the description of CRT, by the woman who coined CRT, to refute your assertions regarding CRT

    No, Critical theory encompasses.
    critical race theory
    critical social theory
    critical gender theory
    critical pedagogy
    queer theory
    queer pedagogy
    some branches of feminist theory and a few others I cant recall

    all with roots to critical theory from the Frankfurt School before WWII, transplanted to Columbia University during.
    Academics such as Marcuse, Adorno, Horkheimer, Fromm, Benjamin, Lukacs, Gramsci, Habermas, Butler Jaegi, Foucault, and Honneth. Then all the critical race theorist starting with Derrick Bell. All originating from neo marxism of the Frankfurt Institute of Social Research. All a "radical, emancipatory form of Marxist philosophy"Horkheimer

    Its the academics above that credit marx. Much like 2 of the 3 founders of BLM identify as "trained marxist"

    He described a theory as critical insofar as it seeks "to liberate human beings from the circumstances that enslave them" Horkheimer
     
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    Making yourself look foolish trying to defend the indefensible CRT
     
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    Oh no, it's quite possible. In this "democrazy," [sic], it's damned likely. It's also bad policy.
     
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    So pedagogy means teaching. Yes.

    I have repeatedly said to you, CRT is a college level advance studies elective course.
    I have repeatedly said to you, it is not taught in primary level education. But maybe for a few rouge teachers.

    So your deflections over and over and over are worth nothing. Except to show you can't actually show primary education actually teaching college level CRT.
    And continue to go off on deflections unrelated to CRT.
     
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    I'm surprised at times by the amount of nonsense spoken and written about Critical Race Theory [CRT]. Simply stated, CRT notes that in the United States of America, Blacks were initially slaves and that the Emancipation Proclamation [1863] did not end structural barriers to Black equality. There are data in abundance to confirm the assertion of CRT.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     

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