What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

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  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

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  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

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  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    AND IF you do NOT want to be forced to get vaxxed then WHY TF do you want women FORCED to gestate?????
     
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    Poor old Yabber doesn't even understand his own faith..
    He should look up words like "admonish" if he isn't sure what it means.
    What Yabber's example really means is that Jesus warned Peter against carrying a sword...which makes sense since Jesus preached peace and brotherhood, not killing each other.

    Laws are made by the state and carried out by organisations like the police.
    From what I see from Tales from the American Doorstep" is a complete breakdown of police forces. Of organisation, surveillance, training, knowing the neighborhood, use of firearms and poor communication. Remember those police who stood around for hours while an armed man was in a classroom full of kids.
    Frankly I don't know why you pay taxes rhat pay for your police. But the answer is not vigilanticiism but building proper honest police forces who protect the population.
    Otherwise there are ways of protecting your home without shooting people.

    If you say you are in your imaginary friends gang, you shouldn't ever consider violence to be the answer. You say you try to follow him? Yet forget about his advice about peace, brotherhood, how he never took up arms against his enemies.

    Abortion is an entirely different subject, not mentioned in the Bible and depends on the sscciientific definition of life. I have gad this conversation in here at length and am not about to do it again.
     
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    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    Novak Djokovic, one of the top tennis players in the world, didn't agree with vaccinations which were required by the Australian open tennis championships a couple of years ago.
    He had the choice and dropped out of the tournament.
    He wasn't forced out. He had a choice and took it.

    Did it ever occur to Yabber that given a choice, women might CHOOSE to keep the baby? Many do.
    What ggd's little angels assume is that given a choice, women will abort their child.
    What on earth makes you think that? There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of single parent families all over the world.

    What women don't accept is the removal of choice and the control of her life by the state.
    You object to laws against removal of guns and call that a removal of choice and control of your life. Yet insist on the state denying women that choice and control over her life.

    IMO NO MAN has the right to tell a woman how to spend her own life. Just as you object to the state telling you to give up your guns. Even if they are contrary to God's laws as spoken by Jesus.

    NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO FORCE SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING. They can offer a choice and consequences but not force. That is tyranny.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know what country you are in or the government of which you worship. In the U.S., crime is almost soley committed by those who own guns illegally. Liberals who want guns banished at the same time are lenient on those who commit gun crimes. Makes sense doesn't it? In the U.S., we view the government merely as a servant of the People. It does not Lord over the people. When I look at pictures of all those before they perished at Auschwitz, I wonder, what if everyone of those individuals had had the right to bear arms? I am delighted to not be under the rule of the government you worship. Liberty always has a price and few are willing to pay it!
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You poor girl. Life is mentioned often in the Bible. God says he "knew us while he knitted our bodies in the womb".....but as an unbeliever, what would that matter to you?
     
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    We love our cops. Crime is extremely low and our cops are our friends.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is typical of when an atheist wants to "outwit" a believer selectively using Scripture. I am a "Believer" who normally doesn't preach or use scripture in a secular setting such as this is. It seems the atheists are always the ones to bring it up.

    I said in an earlier post that Jesus suggested his followers "buy a sword". So Pixie.....the unbeliever does a word search and finds that in John 18:11 Jesus told Peter to put his sword away and that those who live buy the sword will die by it. He also expressed that Peter, by chopping off the ear of the guard that came to take Him away, was interfering with the Cup the Father had given him. This was a whole different application to which I was referring.

    Jesus and His disciple traveled very dangerous country. While Jesus was with the disciples He gave them a sort of "Divine Protection". Every where they went they were provided for. Because Jesus knew He was about to be delivered up to the Romans (as was the plan) He told them what they would have to do differently. This is the verse to which I referred: Luke 22:26 "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag:and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."

    This is the point.....arming yourself for protection is justified. Pixie, Politicians, and Hollywood movie stars, would only depend on others and government for protection. As Believers, we believe evil is rampant in this world and individuals will, at times, need to protect themselves as well as the innocent. The only reason a government would desire to disarm you is because of what they eventually may want to do to you!
     
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    I respect our Police and what they do......but you would entrust your cops with your lives no matter what they were told to do? Wow!
     
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    "No matter what they were told to do?"... what does THAT mean? Too vague to warrant a response.
     
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    Yes.
    Clearly you have never experienced a decent law abiding community.
    We have issues and the London metropolitan police has been infiltrated by corruption and sexual deviance but the organisation, expectations and responses to public complaints are followed up, not ignored.
    Sanctions have followed and have allowed a clean sweep of the London police service.
    Would be delighted to see that across America.
     
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    It is tyranny when you take actions to bring forth life and FORCE your choice on another human being. In doing so not only do you murder potential MEN (which you seem to hate) but you murder potential women as well! In the case of a mothers risk of life..... a choice has to be made but life ALWAYS takes precedence! Abortion for convenience is the rule here by far! I bet you are in agreement with the Chinese here....abortion for preferred sex is also a priority!
     
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    Sorry mate.
    Jesus rejected violence and preached peace.
    The message was simple and without whatifs or maybes.
    Have a discussion about it with your starchild next time you login.

    And check up on the vocabulary. It makes a difference.
    Admonished means to turn away from.
    If you don't understand what someone tells you, you are lost.
     
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    Well I'll go to extremes to make it "easy for you". The "Gestapo" were police. Look it up. The "Chinese Liberation" army are Police. Africa is filled with police units that murder and torture their citizens. How 'bout Mexican Police? Would you entrust your life with them? It could someday be like that here!
     
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    Unbelievers only see what suits their purpose. Jesus was and is the " Lion of Judah". He is the "Son of David". Read about David sometime.

    My point is made!
     
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    YUP! When you force women to gestate it's tyranny... FORCING YOUR choice on another human being.....


    LOL, that's just silly and is a frustrated Anti-Choicers pathetic go-to when they are cornered :) :)


    WHOSE life???? Fetus or woman ?????????



    DUH, what tf other reason would there be???



    What a silly illogical conclusion...


    LOL, you sure are avoiding post # 3960 ;)
     
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    Now your being silly. I've heard of citizens hacked to death in England by machetes. Police couldn't get there fast enough. I am very safe in this country. Even when I go to Democrat States. Glad you put all your trust in the State. It hasn't always worked well for others.
     
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    delete
     
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    You might find that millions of women choose to keep their child.
    Why are you suggesting they are FORCED by civil man-made law to do so?
    God is not biased towards men even if that makes you feel better.
    Can you give me one of God's thoughts (since you know it so well) that denies men a choice about how men see their future?

    How about "women should be denied their lives but the other half, the father, be responsible for paying for and being half the life of the child".

    After all, men are half the life of the whole 80 something life of the child they are responsible for.

    How about DNA tests for every child born and men are identified as being half responsible for this unborn child. And made to acknowledge and support it for a minimum of 18 years?

    I think Jesus would approve. What do you think?
     
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    Don't be daft.
    We are talking about liberal democracies.
    If you have to resort to police states, I am not interested. But you are desperate.

    BTW
     
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    I LIVE in a law abiding community. That's one of the reasons we love our police. You have "corruption and deviance". We don't. There are cities in America that have those problems (Chicago, LA, New York, and others come to mind.... mainly blue cities) but mine doesn't.
     
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    I don't live in China, Mexico, Hitler's Germany, or Africa. You have my sympathy if you do.
     
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    You are really a wimp aren't you.
    Your point isn't made. You don't have a point.
    As much as you try to delete it.
     
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    Run... run... run... runaway....
     
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    Don't start comparing deaths in the UK with deaths in the USA.
    You will never win.
     
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    Now Pixie, I think you are on to something! I am in total agreement with that statement! In fact I believe it is in either 1st or second Timothy it is stated "If a man does not provide for his own, he is worse than an infidel"! Single mothers are rampant because fathers run from responsibility and government supports the whole process. Holding sperm donors responsible would save the state a lot of money and send the message "the culture is going to require you be responsible for your actions!"

    See Pixie, you and I can have common ground and God loves you in spite of what you say.
     

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