Manchin: Debt Ceiling Hike Should Be Tied to Agreement on Starting to Reduce Debt

He had a ridiculous. childish, demand letter from a group of subhuman morons and their pet.

 

Where was this urgency when Trump was president? I don't seem to recall the debt ceiling being a big deal.

 

Congress's approach to cuts in discretionary spending:
"Cut everybody else, but don't cut me"

 

COVID, remember.. All the shut ins needed spending money while away from their jobs for a year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Do you have any idea how much that increased first due to COVID and then Biden and his spending?

 

Manchin's right on the debt ceiling.
Manchin was wrong to vote for several $Trillion Red Ink Orgies that have unleashed the inflation that is lowering American Working and Middle Class real wages.

Joe Manchin's seat shifts to "safe Republican"

'The entry of West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice into the 2024 race to challenge Sen. Joe Manchin has shifted the key seat to the GOP'.

 

Stop sending money to Israel, Russia, and China every year.

 

Manchin's a sad case. He dropped his drawers for the Biden and the Dems and well, exactly what we all thought would happen, happened, and now Manchin's trying to pretend that their double cross was big surprise, when one would have to be a real idiot to be surprised by it.

The House GOP"s Clean Plan is much much more modest, it will slow the growth of the debt, by a bit, but it comes nowhere close to reducing the debt, and quite frankly, that's probably all that can be accomplished at the moment.

Manchin Will Not Be A Senator in 2025. He might be able to win the State Governorship but, he will not win re-election. His seat is now rated "Safe GOP for the 2024 election.

Manchin: I will 'oppose every EPA nominee' until their radical policies change.

I think that they can get to 50 without him, if Feinstein and that guy from PA aren't in the hospital.



I'm having a little trouble believing that their overreach is actually a surprise for Manchin

This seems like the "Stupid Defense".

PERFORMATIVE OUTRAGE

'Will Manchin use his authority as chair of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee block those nominees from getting to the floor? If so, why not say that rather than ‘oppose’?'

I don't think this, or his sudden debt hawkishness saves him. He voted for all THREE of the Dems $Trillion Red Ink Orgies. We would not be burning down with inflation right now, without Manchin's vote.

 

The Debt Ceiling is not a limit on debt. It is a limit on paying debts already accrued. The law that created this falsehood originated in World War 1 to convince people to buy War Bonds. The absurdity in this situation is that everyone in Congress and all the talking heads of news media are perfectly aware of the lie. The debt is taken on not by the "Debt Ceiling" law but by Congress when it haggles out a budget.

What this adds up to is if the debt ceiling is raised, or not, the debt will go up anyway. It goes up with the budget.

 

****in democracy...

 

It is utter folly to have a debt ceiling.

Control spending through the budget. The debt ceiling causes uncertainty and potential default, which would be catastrophic.

 

What is shared here is no different than Washington. Everyone too stubborn to come off their parties position. Failure across the board. Reality is, how many of us can go to the store and write a check for more than we have in our checking account and not eventually go to jail for it? If we cannot without consequences, then why should we allow our government to do exactly that? I don't care which party you are, that is just common sense. We aren't mortgaging coming generations future, we are destroying it and destroying this country.

The tragedy of the Russia war in Ukraine is a key example. We have sent over $75B in military and humanitarian aid. What accounts did that come from? Do we have a slush fund built into the budget for just such emergencies or are we again writing checks for more than what we have?

And those talking about failure to raise the debt ceiling plunging us into a recession fail to see that Biden has been driving us there for over two years now.

 

No it is no it is utter folly to continue on the ever increasing debt the US is responsible for. Budget and debt go hand in hand you cannot sperate them. It is up to Biden and Yellen to default on the debt we have record tax revenues coming in why you do keep pretending that will suddenly stop if we hit the debt ceiling. The ball is in the Dems court to come to the table an negotiate instead of trying to hold our country and our economy hostages to their demands of ever increase debt so they can buy votes with the money.

 

But, he also did this.

'REPLACE HIM WITH A REPUBLICAN. HE’S A GHOST FROM WEST VIRGINIA’S PAST.'

Joe Manchin Says He’s a Climate Moderate. He Just Voted To Confirm Radical Energy Nominee Who Wants To Kill the Coal Industry. David Crane says air travel and meat consumption may have to be curtailed to fight climate change.

'No matter what the crisis of the moment, the left’s solution is always to make ordinary people’s lives worse.'

'the West Virginia Democrat voted to advance a Biden nominee who wants to eradicate the coal industry, mandate that corporations become "carbon neutral" by 2025, and has urged activists to "name and shame" energy companies.'

' Manchin, who has a 55 percent disapproval rating in his home state'

'Crane, an influential voice in the "green revolution," has called for the eradication of coal, an industry that contributes $14 billion to West Virginia’s economy.'

'Manchin is not the only embattled Senate Democrat whose support for a Biden nominee could come back to bite them next year. Sen. Jon Tester (D., Mont.), who is up for reelection next year, voted to confirm Jared Bernstein, the nominee for chairman of the White House Counsel of Economic Advisers. Bernstein complained that the price of gasoline "is too low" to curtail climate change. Bernstein has also opposed the Keystone XL pipeline, a project that Tester supports.'

Time for these states to elect real Republicans.

 

Tester's not a Republican... . He's probably the most real Senator in that body in the last 50 years... Be a shame to see that guy go for yet another brainless MAGA....

BTW, the price of gasoline IS too low to curtail climate change, although more is needed than that... Less driving was proved to be a benefit to pollution output during COVID.....

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3129/...andemic-had-unexpected-effects-on-atmosphere/

Go ahead and argue against an ACTUAL rocket scientist.... I dare you....

 

Great job Captain Obvious, there is literally no one who thinks he's a Republican.

Too much of the Left seems to hate the American Working and Middle Class with an unquenched passion. And you wonder why you folks lost the midterms by 9 seats and 3 million votes?

 

You're the one who said these states, and I quote, need to elect REAL Republicans.... that indicates that you believe the state currently has NON REAL Republicans, which is only true part of the time...

I know exactly why D's lost the HOUSE by 9 seats... rhymes with Mary Mandering....

 

I think this is so damn funny. Republicans fighting dems on spending, and when they get the majority they spend like drunk in sailors. The dems do the exact same thing.

The only difference is who gets that money that they approve. Dems give it to the working class, repubs give it to corporations and the already rich.

Before you start screaming that repubs give to the working class, just ask yourself this simple question: Why do they always claim their policies will “create jobs” ? Well, because they are giving the money to corporations, in the form of tax breaks, claiming that will “create jobs”, and then wages stagnate, the tax breaks go back to the corporations, stock buybacks increase and so do executive comp packages……..

 

Return spending to 2022 level
Return taxes to 2016 rates

If the GOP really wants to work towards a balanced budget actually be willing to give up something as well

 

Fake news. If I told you to only date real women, that wouldn't mean that I was claiming that fake women were real women. Literally NO ONE thinks Manchin or Tester are Republicans, and it's time for these states to election real actual Republicans.

Fake news. Dems seat count percentage exceeded their percentage of the vote.

 

No, the rightwing I, me, mine crowd, who hates paying any taxes, is the reason for the collapse of a once great society.
If you people want a country worth spit, you need to pay for it.
But when rightwingers mindlessly suck at the teat of a disgusting maggot like trump, who brags about refusing to pay his bills or taxes, we can only expect more bullshit and hypocrisy from the right.

 

Debt Ceiling Hike Should Be Tied to Agreement on Starting to Reduce Debt

Anyone with common sense knows the debt ceiling should be lowered, not increased.

 

Anyone with a brain understands our government has no intention of controling spending and debt no matter what agreement is reached. Any agrement will be ignored.

 

Moot point - no agreement will be reached - the GOP will not agree to compromise and they know that the libs will never offer anything close enough to what they want. Both parties believe that crashing the economy will win them the election in 2024 as partisans on both sides are brainwashed to cheer on the death of the US

 

What was our debt to income ratio for the GDP in 1962?