Time to Get Real About Ukraine

So, you have no input in order to motivate your comment of "nonsense". I knew that already and that's the reason I asked my question in a multiple-choice format.

 

JFK in no sense "tried to start WWIII with the USSR." Indeed, there's a better argument to be made that JFK's actions in the Cuban Missile Crisis helped Khrushchev avoid blundering into war by his foolish actions.

 

My goodness! Must I school you on the actual events of the so-called "Cuban Missile Crisis"? Let us see how much you know before the lesson begins.

Why do you think the reason was that Krustjev placed his missiles on Cuba? This should be interesting.

 

For Khrushchev it all started with Berlin. He sent the missiles to Cuba to attempt to leverage the US out of Berlin.

 

Your metaphor fails. Mexico is a separate nation from the US or Texas. Where is the Mexico analog exactly in this equation dear?

 

You want an explanation on a silver platter?

"the ukraine" is the hundreds of years long description of the borderlands of Russia...AKA the outskirts. It's the literal ****ing definition of "ukraine". Why it is still called "the ukraine" is because of its historical meaning and the stupidity of Americans.

Congo is proper, "the Congo" is not. Congo or Democratic Republic of Congo. Take your pick.

"the Vatican" is a reference to the church. Vatican City State is the city state country.

Class over.

 

Lol sure thing broshevik

 

It's not a metaphor, it's an analogy. And I can't help you if you can't comprehend it.

 

So who is Mexico to Ukraine's Texas and Russia's US exactly?
Can you not answer the very simple question explaining your position, amigo?

 

You don't understand anything about ukraine so no, I'm not here to hold your hand.

 

Nice try but WRONG. Krustjev demanded that Kennedy remove the American missile emplaced in Turkey and Italy aimed at Sovjet cities and well within range of those targets. Kennedy refused thinking Krustjev had no leverage. So Krustjev sent missiles to Cuba to prove Kennedy wrong. Kennedy tried calling Krustjev's bluff thus threatening World War III but Krustjev wasn't bluffing at all. Kennedy finally relented and removed the American missiles from Turkey and Italy at "the last minute". It was Kennedy who risked WW III but Krustjev forced Kennedy to back down.

 

Correct. This is common knowledge jack, what happened?

 

Yes, I'm also interested in knowing "what happened, jack?"

 

The vatican is the Church? St Peters? So you hear e "vatican city state" wording and not 'THE" vatican when referencing nation? I very seldom even hear it spoken such. certainly a hell of a lot less than hearing Ukraine as "the" Ukraine. I hope you don't have tenure if that is how you run classes.

 

The us put nukes in turkey in 1959 3 years before Cuba. To me it was just a face saving signal to kruchev. Sure they were 15 min closer that the ones in Germany, but what did it realy mean to russia's safety. Now having missiles 90 miles away from a major population center and not 3000 over an hour of flight time, which is long enough to respond in kind.

The end result was that fidel did not trust that russia would back them up in the future. removing obsolete missiles from turkey was just a face savings, albeit a timely one.

 

I am giving Jack Hays a lesson in history. Your comment has nothing to do with today's lesson. If you want me to teach you as well then you'll have to apply and I'll see if I can find time in my busy schedule.

Anyway, your comment is classical "sour grapes". You want to play down the importance of Krustjev's victory and Kennedy's defeat but all anyone needs to know is that the incident was kept secret for many, many decades so the importance of it must have been embarrassing enough to keep it from the American population. Now, if you want to tit-for-tatty about the truth (not the lie) of the "Cuba Crisis" then do it on your time, please.

 

Awww realizing you pronged the dog eh?

 

Nope. K started talking about the missiles after the crisis was under way in an attempt to salvage something for his error. The US had already planned to remove the obsolete missiles from Turkey, and K knew that.

 

Oh, stop it now. That is such a CIA spin that it isn't even funny as a joke.

 

". . . Khrushchev wanted to bring West Berlin, controlled by the American, British and French within Communist East Germany, into the Soviet orbit. The East Germans and Soviets considered western control over a portion of Berlin a grave threat to East Germany. Khrushchev made West Berlin the central battlefield of the Cold War. Khrushchev believed that if the US did nothing over the missile deployments in Cuba, he could muscle the West out of Berlin using said missiles as a deterrent to western countermeasures in Berlin. If the US tried to bargain with the Soviets after it became aware of the missiles, Khrushchev could demand trading the missiles for West Berlin. Since Berlin was strategically more important than Cuba, the trade would be a win for Khrushchev, as Kennedy recognized: "The advantage is, from Khrushchev's point of view, he takes a great chance but there are quite some rewards to it."[42] . . . ."
Cuban Missile Crisis

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In 1961, the US government put Jupiter nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. It had also trained a paramilitary force of Cuban exiles, which the CIA led in an ...

 

All of it American aggression that Krustjev put a stop to by standing up and saying, "No! You will do it my way!" Kennedy realized that he had gone too far and the Russians meant business. "Remove your missiles or suffer the consequences of WW III with our own missiles striking every American city". Kennedy pissed his trousers and ordered his missiles in Turkey and Italy dismantled ASAP. You can forget that CIA tail-between-the-legs fantasy because now you know the truth. You can believe what you want - it's no sweat off of my ***s.

 

WorldThe Telegraph
Russia may be devoured by its neighbours

 

". . . Khrushchev's fall from power two years later was in part because of the Soviet Politburo's embarrassment at both Khrushchev's eventual concessions to the US and his ineptitude in precipitating the crisis in the first place. According to Dobrynin, the top Soviet leadership took the Cuban outcome as "a blow to its prestige bordering on humiliation".[7][8] . . . "

 

I honestly prefer that you believe that hogwash. It is the source of never-ending entertainment.

 

Putin is turning the Russian Federation into a buffet lunch for its neighbors.

"Everyone knows Russia is not the unbeatable empire Moscow was at pains to portray itself as both outwardly and inwardly. And just as Russia is trying to claim Ukraine as its own, other countries are eyeing chunks of Russian land, spotting an opportunity as the war shows just how weak the Russian army is. Nations within Russia are waiting for the right time to oust the bully. The Kremlin should be wary of promoting a world where it is acceptable to seize territories through force; it only invites others to join in and claim parts of Russia for themselves." Your source