From Pizzagate to Drag Bills: The ‘Groomer’ Myth That Will Not Die

I wasn't really talking about gay/heterosexual.

 

Same sex behavior isn't deviant - it is in fact standard in a same sex relationship. What do YOU think should be expected in a same sex relationship?

And, what do you expect the lesson to be to young kids who have same sex parents?

Is it your plan to "groom" them to believe that their parents are perverts who warrant discrimination and rebuke?

 

You need to get down off your soap box. I wasn't talking about gay/heterosexual. Put on your listening ears instead of just assuming what people are saying without listening to them.

 

I don't follow a party or use the term "groomer", but there is a movement to allow "gender reassignment" procedures on minors. What do you think?

 

The "grooming" label has always been for dramatic effect.

But that's not to say there haven't been situations where things have been inappropriate. It's just not part of some one-dimensional movie bad guy conspiracy like the whole "grooming" thing is. Using that language is done specifically to rile up right-wingers. It doesn't matter that it's never taken to it's logical conclusion, as in, WHAT are they supposedly grooming children for. To be gay? Transsexual? To what end are these things supposedly being done?

It's dumb as ****, and it's also detrimental because now the conversation is about the ridiculousness of the argument itself, not it's content. And, it overshadows situations where things ARE inappropriate. It's just they can be inappropriate without it being "grooming".

Ah the joys of internet driven political opinion.

 

Necessary or desirable? I go with desirable because they probably figure, as many of us do, that people uptight about homosexuality will either stop being upset or will eventually die off.

Try reading this...

https://blogs.iu.edu/kinseyinstitute/2020/06/25/why-do-some-identical-twins-have-different-sexual-orientations/

I have some graphs, too.















https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/

I think this is a losing issue for Republicans. Moderates side with liberals in this country (see the graph immediately above). It looks to me as though older conservatives may well hurt Republicans with their unpopular views on homosexuality and abortion.

You folks are like the dog that caught the car and doesn't know what to do with it.

 

Seems so.

"Deep denial" and "crazy rightwing" are defining.

I never met anyone interested in sex who didn't just become aware of their sexuality. No choosing.

 

OK.

DeSantis and others are, so it's hard to know.

So, what do YOU think the left wing is trying to groom children for??

 

Gender identity and grooming our children that the letter people are normal and exposing them to sexuality long before their appropriate age. For God's sake, Florida's Don't Say Gay law was only targeted to children in third grade and younger. Kids that age don't even need to know about heterosexuality.

 

Too bad you don't know what's really in the legislation.

The legislation creates a state-level bureaucracy that may well turn schools into a gong show. This is the part of the law doing the damage:

"If a concern is not resolved by the school district, a parent may:

(I) Request the Commissioner of Education to appoint a special magistrate who is a member of The Florida Bar in good standing and who has at least 5 years’ experience in administrative law. The special magistrate shall determine facts relating to the dispute over the school district procedure or practice, consider information provided by the school district, and render a recommended decision for resolution to the State Board of Education within 30 days after receipt of the request by the parent. The State Board of Education must approve or reject the recommended decision at its next regularly scheduled meeting that is more than 7 calendar days and no more than 30 days after the date the recommended decision is transmitted. The costs of the special magistrate shall be borne by the school district. The State Board of Education shall adopt rules, including forms, necessary to implement this subparagraph.
(II) Bring an action against the school district to obtain a declaratory judgment that the school district procedure or practice violates this paragraph and seek injunctive relief. A court may award damages and shall award reasonable attorney fees and court costs to a parent who receives declaratory or injunctive relief."​

http://laws.flrules.org/2022/22

So, they have a lawyer investigate a teaching practice, and if a parent disagrees, they can go to court and have a judge issue an order.

And what if orders conflict or overlap? There's your gong show. Lawyers deciding how best to teach computer science. "Programming is too hard for Billy…" says Mom. "He must have a modified education program!" The lawyer in Tallahassee will then decide. Mom, of course, can even ask for injunctive relief if she doesn't like how the state called it.

Florida Republicans are abusing teachers and driving away young people who want to teach, especially in subject areas with good employment opportunities.

I find it amusing and instructive these cited parts of the law were amendments to the legislation.

The legislation also prevents history teachers, for example, from discussing the impact on politics of the culture wars over trans with senior high students. Is it any wonder Florida has a grim teacher shortage given real estate there has gone up 40+% since the pandemic and Florida is 49th in teacher salaries? Do you think the old goats in The Villages give a damn about public education?

 

What you were doing is misinforming people about what Florida Republicans are doing to Florida public education.

 

How do you think pedophiles operate. They convince the victim to believe what they want them to believe. I’m REALLY sure all those young kids WANT to have sex with a middle aged men? By denying that grooming exists you ALSO deny Pedophiles don’t exist since how can young children consent to sex or even want sex?

You might have a point with ADULTS. Your preference should be solidified. But this is NOT about adults. It never is. Why do YOU keep bringing adults into the conversation?

Don’t you understand there would be no issue with Trans people if they didn’t LEAVE CHILDREN ALONE. Forever, nobody cared what Trans people did. It ALL started recently when THEY started involving kids and women. I know you don’t have kids and maybe it’s a mental block for you, but it’s enough already. Stop with the ignorance.

 

bullies that age are already beating class mates up for being "queer" wheter they "need to know," or not.

 

Do you even know what grooming refers to. How about you give an intelligent answer to this question — How is Disney building a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them just by including lesbian characters in their movies? I can’t wait for an answer to this. Make it good.

 

Well, you're just factually wrong here.

Kids MUCH younger than that are very aware of the differences in the families of their friends as compared to their own.

They know who has zero, one or two daddies. They know who has zero, one or two mommies. Kids don't choose their parents. Restricting all depictions to only show hetero adults is not doing favors for kids not in that situation. It just raises questions of who is included and who is worse.

And, these are the factors that FL wants eliminated from the classes of k-3 children.

Suggesting that kids in this age range don't have knowledge of and questions about sex is just ridiculous. They have parents, brothers and sisters of all ages, friends, etc. They have a rough idea of anatomy and behavior. They are not STUPID. And, they do have legitimate and sometimes very serious questions and issues.

Also, kids of this age need to become aware of personal bodily privacy issues.

 

Now, you are suggesting that teachers in public education are PEDOPHILES??? That there is a movement in public education toward PEDOPHILIA?

Seriously???

Let's be clear here: pedophile priests DO NOT change the sexuality of their victims. That's not something that can be done. The entire "grooming" idea has long been proven false.

And, what you are saying about trans comes from being totally unaware that trans has gone back to the beginning of written history.

You probably think it is new because of the desperation of Republicans to find some issue they can can use.

 

See the movie "Sound of Freedom". Groomers are everywhere whether they know it or not. USA is number 1 in sex slavery and pedophelia is everywhere! These drags and alternative sexual desires are just the tip of it. You get used to other perversions just so the peds can be more open with their perversions!

 

Yes, we should prosecute these crimes in the best way possible.

But, suggesting that our k-12 is at the root of this is the most ignorant argument imaginable.

And, this "groomer" thing doesn't even have a definition - it's no more than a right wing panic button for partisan political BS.

 

No...it's the dissent down a slippery slope to view everything as normal. You don't like right wingers because they are digging in their feet!

 

Descent. Dissent is disagreement.

Education is what STOPS descent down a slippery slope.

I don't like the assault on education being proposed as a right wing ideal.

I hope Republicans can recognize where an assault on education will lead.

 

We don't need wokies pushing kids to change their gender and exposing them to blatant sexuality.

 

Well, NOBODY can change a kid's sexuality. Priests and protestants tried that for years, and totally failed.

Beyond that, nobody in education is doing what you accuse them of doing.

So, it doesn't exist, and wouldn't work if it did.

You really are safe!

 

Why?

 

Yes they are. There is much proof of it. Parents, teachers, and the medical community.

 

You're disgusting. No, kids do not need to know about sex below fourth grade.