When is the optimal time for Biden to drop out of the race?

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...timal-time-for-biden-to-drop-out-of-the-race/

Age is the master of us all, and we all know our number will come up. Some carry on to 100 like Henry Kissinger, and some flame out in their 60's.

Choosing a successor is really difficult strategic decision. At this time the DNC is pretty much going to have to give in to let Biden get challenged. That will be a less messy way of getting rid of Kamela Harris.
Due to the way the democrats manage their succession process, they eat their seed corn and then suddenly they are out of candidates. At this time Kennedy is the tallest midget, Trump says he like him, and that is a veiled threat to the DNC to allow primary challengers or face a third party.
The 30% of democrats who want to keep Biden are the ballots the ballot harvesters buy. They are in it for the weed.

 

asap … nobody wants him …

 

The obvious time for Biden to drop out is when he drops dead (I'm kidding around, this is not a threat)!!

Biden is the appointed nominee, and that's that. Kennedy isn't wanted!

 

Probably some time after the stroke...but before the heart attack.

 

Our President goes on a vital mission this coming week. World peace in this century may be at stake as he endeavors to control a rogue state -- Russia -- who invaded a friend of ours.

Politico reports, "President Joe Biden’s trip to Europe next week may feel familiar, coming under the shadow of an increasingly stalemated war.

"But for administration officials and foreign policy experts, the five-day swing across the Atlantic has quickly taken on heightened import: a bit of high-wire act diplomacy that could profoundly impact international alliances and fundamentally alter the very course of the war itself.

"Biden leaves Sunday for a trip that will have at its heart the NATO summit in Lithuania. Held in Vilnius, just a few hundred miles from the fighting, the alliance’s gathering comes as Ukraine has slowly rolled out its counter-offensive.

"Biden, his aides previewed, will use a major address Wednesday before NATO to forcefully urge for a redoubling of Western support for Ukraine. He will declare it imperative that Kyiv be sufficiently armed to make real progress before the fighting season slows for mud and then snow. He also will point to NATO’s response over the past 16 months, and the alliance’s expansion, to argue that he’s delivered on a promise to repair America’s alliances — and use the recent mutiny in Russia as further evidence that efforts by allies have been working."

 

I can't wait to see who the Democrats' candidate is.

 

What's your point?

 

If the democrats want to win next year, Biden needs to drop out. 63% of all Americans don’t want him to run again. Question 21. That includes 67% of independents, a group Biden won in 2020 54-41. Biden trails Trump today among independents, that something Biden can’t afford.


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/01qmicwezl/econTabReport.pdf


Biden is basically tied with Trump. Trump isn’t wanted neither, 57% of all Americans don’t want Trump to run again either. Question 22. Both Biden and Trump are disliked, 55% of all Americans have a negative or unfavorable view of Biden, question 3A below. While 58% view Trump negatively, unfavorable, question 2B


https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/kpnwbn3sup/econTabReport.pdf


Which leads me to conclude that the party that drops Trump and or Biden, replacing one or the other with someone else, will win in 2024. The party that keeps these 2 unwanted to become the next president candidates will lose. A different democrat other than Biden would probably trounce Trump. A different republican candidate other then Trump would beat Biden easily. An afterthought, Harris is more disliked than either Biden or Trump. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.


When would be the best time for Biden to drop out? ASAP.

 

Letting the opinion piece, do your debating, for you? You talk about the strategy for "choosing a successor," and its messiness. However, your inability to put forth your own argument, as to why Biden need ever drop out of the race, is a pretty telling sign, that this is a stretch. Naturally, no one knows what the future holds, especially for an 80 year old man. But the odds, I think, are in Biden's favor.

As for your proxy debater. His argument comes down to his claim that Democrats come up to him regularly, with comments about how they wish Biden wouldn't run. Even assuming this is true, it is meaningless-- why should anyone care about what nameless Democrats say? That Party is renowned for the gloomy paranoia of its members, regarding electoral prospects. We, in fact, already know that a majority of Democrats, at the moment, don't want Biden to run for a second term. A majority did want him to run, just after the mid-terms. This suggests to me that these poll answers are very temporal in nature, and that they could change markedly, before November of '24. So that greatly deflates the poll/Democratic worries argument.

Then, he alleges the declining mental performance of President Biden, which he doesn't back up with specific examples. His general comments about Biden's "gaffes," sounds much like what one can hear from nearly any Republican. And how much do you want to bet, that the writer of this article, is not a Democrat?

All that leaves to his, and so your, argument, is an analogy that he tries to draw from President Lyndon Johnson and Robert F. Kennedy, Sr., to Biden and RFK, Jr.-- which makes the article worth the read, just for the belly-laugh.

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Fifteen days after Kennedy declared for the presidency, Johnson withdrew. He had had enough.

Johnson was quickly aging out of the job. Between riots in American cities; the quagmire of the war in Vietnam; his failing poverty programs; his stumble in the New Hampshire primary; and his cloak of inevitability shredding, Johnson was a ball of conflicting insecurities. On top of all that, his public approval rating was hovering around 36 percent. Simply brutal.

Now, over a half a century later, we have President Biden with his very low approval rating being challenged by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.

There is one striking difference between Johnson then and Biden now. When he decided in 1968 that he could not handle the stress of the rest of the election cycle — or the uncertainty of what was to come — the 6’4”, physically imposing Lyndon Johnson was only 59 years old; 21 years younger than our current president.
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There is the laugh: the one, major difference, between the two situations, are the relative ages of Biden & Johnson-- not the vast difference in the potency of a challenge from the current Robert Kennedy, and a challenge from his father, at that time. Not the fact that Johnson had dragged us into a real war in Vietnam, and was seen by many in the Democratic Party, according to this article, as joined at the hip, to the military-industrial complex, while Biden has successfully kept us out of war, while still managing to orchestrate an effective opposition, to Putin's historic attempt at turning back the international rules, to the time of empire building, colonial powers, which brought us the two World Wars. But just that Biden is old... just like this writer's argument, that we are once again hearing, is becoming.

 

Whoever is running the Biden administration now won’t “let” him drop out.

 

Tuesday, November 3, 2020..... If his involvement in a failed attempted coup to overthrow a duly elected president, his families involvement in shady foreign deals, and the DOJ's involvement in election interference..... he should have been forced out of the race back then if the public really knew the truth in how corrupt and lawless he was......

 

Relative to other comparable countries, and compared to numerous Presidents from our recent history-- particularly George W. Bush, and the last guy to hold the office-- whoever is running things, is doing a fine job! Way better than average, especially considering all that we have come up against, in just the last two and a half years-- so why would anyone not want that to continue? To replace competency, with Donald Trump, or Ron DeSantis, would seem the act of a person who himself would benefit, from having someone make their decisions for them.

 

LOL. Glad your happy. It’s just funny to me.

 

No matter who the “main” nominees are they will be garbage just like they have been for some time now. Garbage in, garbage out.

 

Better "funny," than "tragic," and "scary as hell."

 

The optimal time for Biden to drop out of the race would have been about 3 years ago.

 

I am glad I wasn't the only one who had the same question

 

It’s all funny. You are scared?

 

Certainly-- from Vladimir Putin's point of view.




(Still, I give you credit for your clever, & amusing zinger).

 

A few things. First, two left wing outlets did hit pieces on Biden’s mental state and then the 7th grandchild. It’s like they were hinting he should leave. The second, shown below, happened today. Biden just doesn’t seem to up to the job at hand.

Would anyone here let him run your lemonade stand?

Biden lets American military info slip during live interview, sparking backlash
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bi...-slip-during-live-interview-sparking-backlash

 

Many, reasonable and intelligent people would be, with a Chief Executive DeSantis, or a Trump administration 2.0-- and I wouldn't blame them for it.

 

Hmmm. I can’t see letting government have that much control of your life. To each their own I guess.

 

He shouldn’t drop out. Look at the alternatives: a nutty Dem backed by BigTech kooks, a loser in legal jeopardy, an unlikable plastic pol with detestable ideas.

That’s the mistake people are making. Sure Biden’s old but you need a viable alternative.The odds a R-candidate can make it through the primary and pivot for the general are the longest of long. The political talent isn’t there to overcome the R-primary grind.

 

@wgabrie you want rfk? you nominate him.

replace the "his" in your post with "trump's" and it will ring true rather than the usual delusional trumpist projection.

 

Yeah, Biden's sure showing Vladimir, ain't he?