When is the optimal time for Biden to drop out of the race?

The sooner the better.

 

It is to your own statement, which is nonsensical. We would be in a poorer position to help out Ukraine, if we were still heavily involved in Afghanistan. That is, our staying in Afghanistan, there is no reason to believe, would have prevented Putin's invasion of Ukraine. You realize that the two countries share no common border, right?

 

Wouldn't it just be the limit if Trump teamed up with RFK for '24?

The leftists' tears would have tears.

 

Biden’s age and fragility is showing, plus he looks confused like he often does. I’m sure his handlers tell him what he’s supposed to do but he just seems to forget. There are four quick videos in the below link and none of them make Biden look good.

WATCH: King Charles III Has to Lead Befuddled Joe Biden Around in Trainwreck Visit to UK

https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah...iden-around-in-trainwreck-visit-to-uk-n774142

 

Russia had time under Trump if he wanted to invade.....he didn't until Biden signalled American weakness. We could have withdrawn from afghanistan orderly and with our military equipment. Trump made provisions for withdrawal which of course Biden by passed. Putin knew Biden is weak.

 

I searched for NATO, and your post in this REALLY stupid thread came up first. Did somebody actually suggest Joe is going to drop out now?? OMG....

Erdogan has just agreed to vote for Sweden to join NATO, which I believe was the only roadblock to that effort.

More good Biden news (sort of) and more bad Trump news (being the anti-NATO former president)

 

When is the optimal time for Biden to drop out of the race?

Whenever the DNC decides.

 

thus proving my point, thanks for agreeing with me

 

That makes no sense.

 

There is so much presumption, in your statement, it seems almost pointless for me to explain to you that invading a country, is not like grabbing an appetizer, off of a serving tray. You do not, first of all, know when Putin came to the significant decision, to take that course. Secondly, if it had been while Trump was still in office, that had been during the COVID Pandemic, which could reasonably have forced Russia to belay its plans. Russia did, in fact gather something like a hundred thousand troops on the border a year prior to their actual invasion, but ended up dispersing them. That a large Covid-19 outbreak might have played into the decision to scuttle any invasion plans, at that time, is certainly a possibility.

You are confusing "weakness," with "careless haste." There was nothing "weak," about exiting a country that we'd occupied for 20 years, if it was not achieving our objectives. And, of course, it was Trump, while he was still President, who had poorly negotiated the pullout agreement, that handcuffed Biden. This is old news.

LOL-- Do your posts regularly contain a "fantasy" section? All Trump did was precipitously reduce our troop strength from (in only very rough terms, from my memory) something like 20,000, down to 2,000, so that the military told Biden they could not keep the country secure, or even bring out all of our Afghan allies; there were only enough to try to secure our troops' exit location.

Also, the Trump administration stopped all vetting of our Afghan partners, so that getting all those who'd been ignored (under orders of Steven Miller), was impossible, in the brief time allowed, by Trump's timetable. Even without our doing all the vetting, and our overly rushing the pullout, the Trump target date was unachievable. Quote me any of the U.S. main commanders, saying that the Trump deadline was a reasonable, or even feasible one, for a comprehensive and orderly pull out.

Unfortunately, that would have required now President Biden to have put more troops back in, which he wasn't about to do.

He may have thought that. But Putin now knows that, if he had, he'd been very wrong.



EDIT: P. S.-- Biden is a leader who

consistently holds to his principles.
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We now, all should know that Trump, is transactional, and unreliable, most notably because, in negotiating those transactions, he places his own self-interest, ahead of the country's best interest.

 

I said splitting the vote means one party automatically wins, you seemed to be agreeing with me, but maybe not, lol

this was my original quote

 

He's done better than I thought he would, but he should drop out ASAP and endorse another candidate. Trump can make any mistake he wants every day between now and the election and won't lose a vote over it. But even a minor mistake from Biden shortly before the election could discourage enough voter turnout for wannabe-dictator Trump to win again.

 

A hell of a lot more than Trump ever did. And every time I ask Trump supporters on the forum what Trump should do differently, they talk about how Biden has been too tough on Russia and triggered them.

 

Ukraine was only able to resist the 2022 invasion because Trump started arming them with lethal military equipment especially ATGM and manpads. He also copied the UK and went military trainers to train up the UA forces in modern NATO tactics and doctrine.

 

Bull. ****. CONGRESS supplied those arms (without ANY input from Trump) with a veto proof majority, Trump bitched about signing for it (which wasn't even necessary), and Trump tried withholding some of that aid! No one in planet earth, not even the orange idiot himself, is dumb enough to credit Trump for that ****.

 

You did not make an argument, you made an assertion of a fact that is not in keeping with this reality.

 

1. I have said Biden is incapable of being president because his mind is going.
2. Biden shows up for the cameras, but he is incapable of sharp and potentially hostile interactions in private meeting with our adversaries. In fact, this is one time the administrative state may be saving our ass.
3. The conflict today can be boiled down to democracy vs authoritarianism. Saudi, Russia, Iran, and NoKo want to protect their power. China wants to align with Russia to displace America’s position in the world by curtailing U.S. power and creating the military infrastructure for a China dominated global order.
With Joe Biden stumbling around, can you blame them .

 

Trump had conditions on his withdrawal. I think you know that, There were no conditions on Biden's. It was just get the hell out leave all that military equipment (disgraceful). You go ahead and back the Biden Crime Family. I know you see that as better than ever admitting you were WRONG! I hope and pray he is the candidate for another term (though many Dem's doubt it), Americans including Independents are sick of him.

Oh and by the way.....It's SEVEN Grand children!.......oh principled man!

 

Perot is dead, as is the reality that a 3rd party will ever be a reality on the national stage for the highest office in the land.

 

Then the populace of the USA has given up any hope of actual democracy? Sad.

 

I'm referring to history. Multi-political parties just aren't part of the political DNA of American society. Parties may decline in popularity and tear themselves apart, but another party replaces it. There are still only two parties.

 

I have been listening to the GOP conspiracy theories about the DNC and/ or Deep state was going to conspire to force Biden out before 2024 for 3 years now. The agents of this plot change a little, but everyone who talks about it is 100% sure its going to. Others are just as sure Biden will dump Harris.

When? and When?

 

Nonsense. Throw the seditious maga extremists to the curb and people of good will will quickly realign themselves to more patriotic liberal and conservative American traditions.

 

If you are talking about my post that you'd quoted, I was responding to your own, baseless contention, devoid of argument:

garyd said: ↑
Patently absurd. Too believe that Biden is doing a good job is similar to believing that the moon is made of cheese.


So I decided to follow suit, since I didn't think it worth the trouble to make an argument to someone who was so clearly biased, that it would surely fall upon deaf ears. Instead, I went with your own idea, of a dairy- based moon.

If, instead, with your comment about my asserting a fact, not of this reality, you are referring to my previous comment, about Biden's doing a good job: there is plenty of evidence to support that, and many other, intelligent people, even on the Republican side, who would agree with that assessment. Just last week, conservative columnist David Brooks, had an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, showing that despite Biden's low poll numbers, his "misery index" number was significantly lower than Reagan's, George W. Bush's, and Obama's (& that applies to Clinton, as well) when each of them were re-elected. He then goes on to tie the low poll numbers to the aftermath of Trump's Presidency, which had so greatly eroded trust in government, and put people in negative, more worried moods.

Also, here are some snips, to back up my contention:

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What is the inflation rate in the US compared to the world?

Inflation Around the World

Inflation varies wildly among the world's largest economies. in the 19 individual countries of the G20, it ranges from 1% in China to 102.5% in Argentina. The United States, with a 6% inflation rate, is the eighth lowest.Mar 22, 2023
https://www.investopedia.com › infl...
Think Inflation Is Bad in the US? See What Other Countries are Dealing With
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How is the US economy doing compared to other countries?

Relative to pre-pandemic trends, economic output continues to fall short. However, the United States has performed better than other G7 economies (and the Euro area) with real GDP just 1.4 percent below trend.Jun 5, 2023
https://home.treasury.gov › news › t...
The U.S. Economic Recovery in International Context
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So, our inflation rate is moderate, compared to the rest of the G19, and still coming down. Our growth rate, compared to others, post pandemic, is outstanding. Our unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in over 50 years. And all this, with Republicans voting against everything that helped to achieve those accomplishments. Hence, there is a decent beginning to the case that Biden has done a good job.

Here are a couple of more snips, for the hell of it:

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What is the US economy ranked in the world?

According to the latest available data from the World Bank, the United States of America is currently the world's largest economy, with a GDP of over $23 trillion in 2021.
https://wisevoter.com › largest-econ...
Largest Economies in the World 2023 - Wisevoter
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<Google Snip>

Who has the strongest economy right now?
Biggest economies in 2021 by gross domestic product

Rank Country GDP in $ per capita
1 United States 70,249
2 China 12,556
3 Japan 39,313
4 Germany 51,204
46 more rows
https://www.worlddata.info › largest...
The 50 largest economies in the world - Worlddata.info
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To better handle the deluge of illegal border crossers, as well as legal crossers, claiming asylum, the Republicans need to put their money where their mouths are, and grant Mayorkas' request for additional funds.

 

Which counts for only one non professional opinion, among over 300 million opinions-- IOW, your #1 is essentially meaningless.

Supporting evidence? (Strike two).

LOL-- China has just begun acting to try to "displace America's position in the world..." because of Biden-- where have you been?China was being authoritarian, and acting hostile to its neighbors in the area of the South China Sea, building artificial islands as military bases, during both the Trump & Obama administrations. Its other strategies for supplanting the U.S. as the dominant world power, are too numerous to mention. Suffice it to say, though, they have been at it, for a good while longer than Biden's been our President. Same goes for the bad behavior of Saudi Arabia (which executed a WAPO journalist, U.S. resident, while Trump was in office), Russia, Iran, and North Korea: none of them only began misbehaving, in 2021, with Biden's ascension. So you could have saved yourself the numbering, as you did not make even one credible argument.