Who is sneaking fentanyl across the southern border? Hint: it's not the migrants

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not against having a wall, but we need to stop pretending it would somehow make a difference in drug smuggling, because it will not. Vast majority of drugs are brought in via legal ports of entry, and often by US citizens who are addicts themselves.

    Who is sneaking fentanyl across the southern border? Hint: it's not the migrants
    https://www.npr.org/2023/08/09/1191638114/fentanyl-smuggling-migrants-mexico-border-drugs
    ...vast majority of illicit fentanyl — close to 90% — is seized at official border crossings. Immigration authorities say nearly all of that is smuggled by people who are legally authorized to cross the border, and
    more than half by U.S. citizens like Haley. Virtually none is seized from migrants seeking asylum.

    Sometimes fentanyl and other drugs are concealed inside tractor-trailers carrying loads of legitimate cargo into the U.S. More often, authorities say, it's hidden in passenger cars or on the bodies of pedestrians.

    The ideal candidate, Hepford says, is someone who is authorized to cross the border, and goes back and forth often because they won't attract attention from customs officers at the port.

    "A lot of it is driven, unfortunately, by addiction,"

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    What a surprise. Well, not really. Just about any illegal drug is more efficiently smuggled in bulk. One modular cargo container can hold hundreds of pounds of contraband and they don’t all get inspected. Customs has to rely on the shipping data and routing info to select the minuscule percentage of the containers they inspect.

    it works the same way with the millions of people who cross the border. Although random searches are a tool, the real process of selecting who to search is based on the person’s travel history . Yes , profiling.
     
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    1. The Feds aren't seizing 90% of all the drugs smuggled across the border.

    2. Most of the drugs smuggled into the country aren't coming in through ports of entry.
     
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    oh look boys & girls, we got another sad attempt at trying to justify Biden's open border policies. Yup! These policies have "surely" have NOTHING to do with fentanyl getting over our border.


    BINGO!!! did you ever think for one second if those agents didn't have to waste time baby sitting illegal border jumpers they might just have more time for such inspections?
    LIGHT BULB MOMENT!!! try not to get too overwhelmed
     
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    they don't care about the facts, republicans want to blame the people coming here seeking asylum
     
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    When this legal Port of entry claim is made... You have to wonder how they know what amount is not coming over unguarded portions of the border because the amount that's coming over that doesn't get caught remains undetected.... It's a no-brainer that you can't count that and put a number on it because by its very nature you don't know because it was successfully smuggled in and it's not like anyone stopped to enter it into some government log book.
     
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    I'm afraid you didn't get the meaning.

    If you say so. LOL

    It has literally nothing to do with Biden.

    American drug addicts are bringing in lots of dope across the border.

    Me thinks you have Biden living you your head:D
     
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    You also don't know exactly how much more is coming in through legal ports of entry. Its estimated by people who deal with this for living, and they also estimate how much they thing is coming between the ports. It was right there in the chart.
     
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    Do you have any articles to support your contradiction of the article? Or is this just your opinion?
     
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    the drug laws were made by overzealous progressive republicans back when they were around, for over 100 years i have to believe every sane attempt to stop drug flow has been implemented, conclusion they dont work, but keep beating this dead horse i detected a wink oh and the link is from those comunist facsists NPR people ha
     
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    I remember during the Vietnam war, the nightly news posted enemy and US KIA's, contributing to the publics growing outage over the endless war. As a battle-rattled vet, it became personal.
    It is time major TV news brought this inhumanity into the viewers living rooms again by doing the same thing:
    Week of 8-6 to 8-13:
    Over dose drug deaths: 1250.
    "And now on to lawnmower pollution in our cities..."
     
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    I think the main difference is the fact that drug users actually choose to use the drugs. For decades we can have been trying to have government shield people from harming themselves, but it has not worked, and probably never will.
     
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    I don't care if they do it for a living or not... They cannot know how much is coming over remote and open areas of the border that is not being interdicted.

    It is an unknown factor. They can speculate and give it their best educated guess all they want but they will never be able to put a number on it
     
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    I guess you don’t know the difference between Border Patrol agents and ICE/Customs agents …
     
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    That's what you are doing, - speculating, but I think the people who deal with it for living might be able to make more educated estimates than you.

    - How much is being confiscated on the cities and streets, gives them an idea of how much is coming through. That gives you an estimate of the total amounts
    - The street price going up or down gives them hints of low or high supply
    - How much is being confiscated at the border crossings, harbors, airports etc
    - Estimate how much is getting through without detection the legal crossings
    - How much is home-made
    - The rest is coming through unknown routes

    So, yea, there are ways to have an educated estimate.
     
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    Oh, it's Obama's fault?...lol
     
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    In other words, you'll go on believing whatever you want to believe regardless of the facts.

    It wouldn't be a smart way to try smuggling drugs. Poor people crossing the desert don't have much carry capacity and are too likely to be caught or die in the wilderness.
     
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    What I Will Go on believing is that we don't have the information about the amount of drugs getting across the border that's undetected.

    You just go on believing it rarely or doesn't happen....
     
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    I'll go on believing that you don't want to face the facts because they aren't kind to your false, hyper-partisan beliefs.
     
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    What a silly thing to post. Actual facts are that we know that drug smuggling happens across remote parts of the border and we also know that we don't know the amount that gets through undetected because by its very nature it's undetected...

    How naive to think it doesn't happen.

    Yes it would be very hard for drug smugglers to actually make it through the desert like they don't do that sort of thing...

    You're trying to paint a picture of some loan little immigrant carrying a 50 lb backpack of marijuana
     
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    I guess so. It seems that Republicans hold potus responsible for things like this - so, sure.
     
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    So they are smuggled through undetected. Somehow, we know it gets smuggled, but we don't know how much...because its undetected. So they detect that it happens, but can't detect how much?
     
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    Yes of course, we have never been known to catch drug smuggling operations near remote border areas...... simple logic and past interdictions tell us differently.

    How stupendously naive to think it's only happening at legal ports of entry....But progressives don't want to admit that because it's also admitting that more needs to be done to secure the border
     
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