Who is sneaking fentanyl across the southern border? Hint: it's not the migrants

I know this will fly right over most folks head..... but.... this is pretty simple...

If the border agents don't have to deal with the people walking across the 2000 mile border because there is a wall... they can be relocated to the ports of entry where the masses will have to go through and the trucks are being driven...

 

You keep making the mistake of thinking that referring to the work of experts who study these issues carefully and actually try to deal with them will have ANY impact on opinions based on appeals to emotion and prejudice. They will just handwave away any facts that don't fit their beliefs because as far as they are concerned if they believe something it is automatically true.

 

If they're losing 90% seems like the drug people would get smart and sneak it in amongst the hordes of illegal aliens,

 

I am just going to point out that even if 90% were seized (which I am very skeptical of), the drug cartels could operate just fine.
The drugs are cheap in Mexico. They can easily afford to lose 90% of the product. It fetches a high price in the U.S.

This doesn't mean 10 times less will make its way into the U.S. More likely it just means the drug cartels have to smuggle in 10 times more, knowing that only 10% will make it.

 

And how pray tell is that supposed to work? Divide one tonne of fentanyl into handy, condom sized packets and then force every would be migrant reaching the border to insert said package before attempting the crossing? Not withstanding the fact most illegals are and would be detained by border authorities anyway how would you recover the packages afterwards?

You might be able force illegals to start their journey carrying drugs but they've got no incentive to co-operate once they're across the border, unless of course they're being guarded by coyotes during the crossing. In which case its just as easy and much more reliable to hire regular mules who can carry drugs across the border on a regular basis. Just like they do now.

News flash, if your (Baldric level) 'cunning' plan was likely to work the cartels would already be doing it on a large scale basis. Instead they're busy digging tunnels, concealing drugs in vehicles and goods crossing the border or building submarines etc etc.

 

Ask them. They don't move it tonne lots. Usually gallon baggies or smaller - diversify the risk.

I live 20 miles from the border and am constantly amazed and the creativity drug lords find to get their product across.

And they are.

And having illegals carry across.

 

I don't think you understood what the 90% meant.

90% of what is seized overall, is seized at legal posts of entry. It does not mean 90% of drugs coming is are seized.

It is estimated that 13% of heroin shipments and 28 to 40% of cocaine shipments are seized.

Last year 2.7 million illegals were apprehended at the border (yes, the border is not open), but they don't find lot of drugs carried by the illegals.

 

That was my point, exactly.

 

You said "If they're losing 90%......". They are not losing 90%.

You mean "not a lot"? 90% is seized at legal ports of entry, so the remaining 10% is elsewhere, like at sea, and mules in the desert. They find very little on the migrants.

 

What's the difference between a mule and a migrant?

 

1) "they don't move it tonne lots. Usually gallon baggies or smaller - diversify the risk." Look at the news. They (the cartels) move drugs in ton units or large fractions of tons regularly. Why do you think they build submersibles and tunnels etc in the first place? There are massive economies of scale in moving large shipments in one go if (and I do mean if) they have a buyer ready to accept delivery AND a reliable means of moving that much. Scatter gunning smaller shipments into the US is done because the first option isn't always viable either because the group involved doesn't have access to bulk shipping channels or doesn't have customers who want/can't handle or can't afford large deliveries up front. That or they simply don't have a lot of drugs to shift at any one time i.e they're relatively small time players in the larger drug trafficking scene.

2) Coyotes require payment. That can be cash up front (preferred) but failing that one other means of payment (but not the only one - there are worse) is agreeing to carry a small package of drugs across the border. The point is its a one time deal, once your across your done. And it also leaves leaves a loose end walking around in the US illegally. Every illegal who does this is a potential witness who can identify the names, faces and locations used to get them into the country including staging points. Not to mention the fact drugs are being shifted via this channel. For this reason its not the preferred means of getting drugs across nor is the most important. Where possible, if they're going to use mules to carry in drugs the cartels prefer US citizens or green card holders because they are lawfully entitled to enter and leave the country and can do so multiple times.

3) To conclude, yes the illegals are used to import drugs to the US but the amount imported via this means is a tiny fraction of the total amount imported every year because other means are more efficient and even then only a faction of the total number of illegals crossing the border do carry drugs. Below is a link to US Customs and border Protection Stats on the topic. Note it includes stats re; arrests for Drug possession and or trafficking. Please also note the stats relate to arrests of non-citizens made at ALL points of entry into the United States including foreign nationals who entered the US legally using a foreign passport i.e via air travel etc. This means a significant % of the total arrested for drug possession will be people other than southern border jumpers. (West African crime syndicates are also heavily invested in the US drug trade).

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics

The only possible conclusion is that the total amount of drugs imported by the means your complaining about is minute to the point of being mere scare mongering rather than a sound justification for stronger border controls. Which is ironic because no such 'justification' is needed. The US has a lawful right to police it's borders and control the entry of foreign goods and citizens into the country, just like every other nation does. Imaginary hordes of drug carry illegal migrants aren't needed as an excuse

 

Yeah, whatever, I only know what's reported in the local news and papers,

 

Then expand your worldview and get the 'big picture'. Local newspapers run on the smell of an oily rag. They have to sensationalize any local story just to make budget. Dog bites man becomes 'savage dog leaves innocent passerby in intensive care. Public alarmed!'

 

Drug manufacturing and smuggling offers too high profits to control it. When drugs find their ways into high security prisons you wont keep it at bay with a wall.

Here it is even organized as some big drug cartels are allies of the Chinese who supply them with their raw materials with very good conditions to flood the US with it. Reversed roles of the opium war.

As long as neither the US nor Mexico is willing to invest huge resources in all areas, drug prevention, rehabilitation and a war against these organized crime groups who make a fortune out of it, it would be best if the US and Mexico massively supports organized old school crime groups and drug trafficers in the drug war both sides has already a history and ties with, which dont harrass the local population at a large scale, with whom you can come to terms and negotiate the trafficking rules as long as they are at war with the Chinese allies who bring only death and destruction within Mexico and flood the US with fentanyl.

I am not sure if its possible with Obrador. My guess for guys like him, Lula, Marudo, Gustavo Petro and other left-wing presidents is they hate the US so much more than they love their own people, they are secretly, semi-secretly or openly supporting this kind of war against the US and they give a **** if CJNG blows up a hospital bc it treated one of their rivals after a gun shot wound, they dont give a **** if their own police or military officers get flayed, impaled or burnt alive by these creatures from hell, they dont give a **** if these guys extort, harrass and murder normal civilian local population. As long as their share of it lands in their pocket and fentanyl is flowing to the US, these guys are perfectly fine with it.

Anyway, I am positive Mexico will at some point have an extreme right government, when people are fed up with Obrador as they have been with his predecessors. That could be the right moment to take measures.

 

You missed the point - I love twenty miles from the border, local news covers apprehensions, illegals and drug traffic extensively. \
I'm done with the BS. Believe what you want, I couldn't care less.

 

This is silly to even discuss . syntanyl is synthesized, not smuggled.

 

Obviously not. Facts don't mean anything, only 'stories' that reinforce what you also want to believe in the first place. So what if you live 20 miles from the border? 20 or 200. It doesn't matter. Obviously illegal crossings are a problem. Also obviously they should be stopped and you have every right to expect that they are (at least as far as is physically and legally possible). The POINT however is that there's no need to demonize the persons concerned by inventing and/or spreading BS arguments to support your case.

So by all means curl up in a nice safe ball, wrapped and warm in up in a blanket of lies - if that's what you want to do. It's is after all your choice. Just don't expect other people to (1) buy into those lies (2) Not point out when you are misinformed at best, deliberately lying at worst.