‘Anger and radicalization’: rising number of Americans say political violence is justified

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...isis-radicalizing-republicans-democrats-alike

So, as The Guardian notes, a study by the Chicago Project on Security and Threats found that many Americans see violence as an option for political change.
And there's nothing surprising about that.
Especially considering that criminal violence is rampant on the streets of cities while law-abiding citizens are subjected to repression by a corrupt government. (as exemplified by Trump and the ridiculous accusations against him).
But despite the public knowledge of the corruption of the current US President Biden and his family, not a single charge has been brought against them in court.
Human nature is such that the top priority of any society is justice.
You can live in a rich or poor country, but if you see injustice in income distribution, political and economic opportunities, trivial security...and even cultural, mental and national characteristics - you are ready to protest. And if peaceful protests don't work, you are ready to take up arms.
Look at modern Africa. People have risen up against injustice.

And today, the crazy, who seized power in Washington understand the mood of the masses very well. And as always, Washington is looking for external enemies. It has always been so. The Jews were to blame for everything for Hitler, the Arabs were to blame for everything for the Jews,... Washington has Russians and Chinese.
Therefore, the rabid propaganda calls not to get rid of the crazy who seized power in Washington, but to rally against the "Chinese threat" or the "Russian threat".
Turn on the brain. Abstract from all sources of propaganda and face the truth.
Did the Russians bring the infrastructure US to a state where almost every day (and sometimes several times a day) major (I'm not even talking about minor incidents) accidents occur, for example, on the railway?
Did the Russians bring society down when drugs and child prostitution spread throughout America?
Or maybe the Chinese are to blame for what you see with the rise in prices for everything?
Think.

Kennedy on the consequences of the confrontation with Russia: "The Great Depression will seem like an easy walk!"

 

As this thread demonstrates, Trumpism is in part a product of Russian "active measures" attempting to foment violence in America. It's a toxic combination of Russian disinformation and Donald Trump's personality disorder and his resulting pathological dishonesty and self-delusion. The two go hand-in-glove.

 

‘Biased.’ ‘Corrupt.’ ‘Deranged.’ Mutant Carrot’s Taunts Test Limits of Release.
Maggie Haberman, Jonathan Swan and Alan Feuer
Wed, August 16, 2023 at 6:49 AM CDT

Just days ago, the judge overseeing former President Adult Blobfish’s prosecution on charges of seeking to subvert the 2020 election admonished him against violating the conditions of his release put in place at his arraignment — including by making “inflammatory statements” that could be construed as possibly intimidating witnesses or other people involved in the case.

But Bruised Yam immediately tested that warning by posting a string of messages on his social media website, Truth Social, that largely amplified others criticizing the judge, Tanya Chutkan.

In one post, written by an ally of Orange Roughy’s, lawyer Mike Davis, a large photo of Chutkan accompanied text that falsely claimed she had “openly admitted she’s running election interference against Baby Dick.” In two other posts, Electoral Reject wrote, “She obviously wants me behind bars. VERY BIASED & UNFAIR.”

... https://news.yahoo.com/biased-corrupt-deranged-trump-taunts-114912788.html​

I hope he does get tossed into jail. It's the least he deserves after inciting the January 6 insurrection. Lock him up until his trial. He is only going to continue to incite violence if he remains free.

 

Sometimes I wonder if this forum serves as a beta testing site for Russian trolls. But Fox News brings the crazy, too.

 

Nyet

 

I agree. With the quality of material they post here, it's more like pre-alpha testing.

 

Anything you don't like, you expectantly call it propaganda by Trump, the Russians, the Chinese, or whoever. The main thing for you is not to know reality. Reality kills you.
Is JFK a Russian spy to you too?

 

I calls em like I sees em.

 

You're right, this site is filled with guys obsessed with Russia being the all purpose go-to villian. It's like a Trump hater's Tourette Syndrom, they can't help themselves.

 

The reaction of some posters to Russia's manipulation tactics being discussed is very telling.

 

Yes Kennedy is well known for holding some strange opinions. He strikes me as being a nice man but one who has never experienced the real lives the rest of us lead. He is the only candidate for president that is opposed by his own party and supported by the opposing party. It is a curious thing. Even more curious is that the leading candidates are supported by neither party. Perhaps we can just put an end to political parties altogether. That would certainly improve American politics.

 

Mark Twain - "If elections meant anything, we would never have been allowed in."
I don't think it's changed since Mark Twain.
Look at Biden. Obviously the man is inadequate - greets shadows, doesn't recognize his staff, says his son fought in Iraq.... - the man is obviously mentally ill.
But he's a major candidate for president of the United States. It's unbelievable!
But what's even more incredible is that people are willing to vote for him.

 

I agree. Not only is he inadequate but he is also corrupt. He won't continue as president despite the fact that many will vote for him. In my opinion, his party won't allow him to have the nomination. I would be surprised if either of the leading candidates will find themselves on the ballot in November of 2024.

Our form of democracy is about candidates and personalities rather than policies. Since the system tends to demotivate the most competent people from engaging in it we do not get our best and brightest on the ballots. We get people with appealing personalities or pretty faces or pretty words and, sadly, a greed for political power. Nevertheless the government limps along despite the poor leadership. As a conservative I view our nation's three main problems as federal government which attacks our freedom, China which attacks our wealth and wokeism which attacks our culture. I doubt you would find a liberal with the same list. We agree on nothing politically.

My recommendation is to judge the U.S. not by its government and politics which are poor but by its private sector which is the best on the planet. I wish we didn't tolerate our government and politics but we do and we succeed despite them. Voters, it seems, are as self interested as government. I have a couple of expatriate Russian friends who agree with me. One is a university professor and the other is a businessman. One is in the process of naturalizing for citizenship and the other has already naturalized. I think both of them represent Russia's best and brightest. It is a shame Russia lost them.

 

This!^^^

 

The paradox is that people vote for words but not deeds.
For example, a certain candidate says - I will make all of you happy, rich and healthy. You will pay less taxes, but the government will increase social programs and modernization of the economy.
Every woman will get a husband, unemployment will disappear and there will be complete freedom and democracy....
And what is surprising is that there are very few people who can ask the question - how are you going to do it?
The bulk of people will scream with delight and vote for such a candidate.
I'm speaking exaggeratedly, but I hope you get the point.

As for your Russian acquaintances who went to the US, there is nothing wrong with that for Russia. Russia is rich in talent.
Russia can easily do without them, but can they do without Russia?
Let me explain. I have heard of many famous Russians who were successful in modern Russia and who immigrated from Russia. But I have not heard of any of them who became successful outside Russia.
In the entire history of immigration from Russia, I can only name two Russians who became successful outside of Russia - Sikorsky (helicopters) and Rachmaninoff (composer). At the same time, Rachmaninoff always regretted leaving Russia and he transferred all his royalties starting with from 1941 to Russia.
All others are either a product of the CIA, such as Solzhenitsyn (besides being a liar, he is also an extremely untalented writer) or a banal mediocrity capitalizing on the bursting interest in the Russian theme, such as Bunin.

You have to take into account the social status of the person before immigration and the social status of the person now.
And I am sure that your acquaintances will never be able to get the same social status in the USA as they had in Russia.
You can read to them my words. And I'm sure they will respond by either saying insults to me or trying to make fun of me. But realistically, they'll know I'm right.

 

Lots of successful Russian expats in the U.S.. In the arts are Stravinsky, Nabokov, Nuryev, Barishnykov, Brodsky. In military Turcheninov who fought with the Union army in our civil war was advanced to General. The list of successful Russians in American science is quite long with a couple of Nobel prizes. Academics, business, sports all have successful Russian expats. Thousands of Russians have been successful in the U.S. including my two friends. There are talented and successful people in every country. Russia is no exception. Talented, intelligent and motivated people usually gain success wherever they live.

 

I remember, before the 2016 election, how Leftists thought the Russians were the best.

 

There are plenty of famous Russians abroad. You are just ignorant.

 

Garry Kasparov seems to be doing all right for himself

 

For example.
Turchaninov is a Don Cossack. All Cossacks are born warriors. It's without options - either you are a good warrior or you are a dead warrior.
He was an outstanding military officer in the Russian army. But! He deserted from the Russian army for reasons unknown. It may have been due to some dishonorable act, but he committed desertion under the guise of medical treatment. (At the same time, before his shameful act, he was favored by the Russian emperor, had a large material income, owned land and held a high position in the army).
What moved him to desertion I do not know.
And since he was a Don Cossack, he naturally became famous as a warrior already in the new homeland.
(For example, Guderian was also a talented commander, but was he on the side of good? Or Goebbels, a talented, one could say genius, propagandist, but who was he from the point of view of mankind?)

And of course, as I wrote above - if we consider Turchaninov's social status in Russia, it was certainly higher than in his new homeland.

 

People leave USSR 2.0 for a better life and a lower chance of winding up prematurely dead.

 

‘Anger and radicalization’: rising number of Americans say political violence is justified

How many? Rising from what to what? What kind of violence? When information is opinion rather than meaningful facts, we should ignore it.

 

Ignore it as much as you want. Ostriches, for example, hide their heads in the sand. It seems to them that it is so safe.

 

How many times do I have to remind you that ostriches do not put their heads in the ground?