A History of Racism Erased From U.S. Capital

Only idiots worship a flag you honor a flag for what it stands for and for those who died who gave it that meaning.

 

I agree, yet many worship the Confederate flag just the same

 

I've yet to see anyone worship the Confederate flag. Mind pointing me towards some pictures with altars with confederate flags standing next to them or draped over them? Maybe some candles?

oh wait...nvm, you're just being hyperbolic.

 

This is intellectually, a dangerous fallacy. If something's meaning is only derived from what people 'think' it is, then we lose proper prospective, understanding and to the extent that something may be modern or current: Proper utilization of that thing, because it's 'what we think of it'

'What we think of it', led to the 1619 farce. Which was a complete and utter falsehood against the United States federal government of 1776 established in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Falsehoods become perpetuated because they are easier to believe in.

If as evidenced there's a difference between the Virginia Flag and the Confederate flag, then we must to remain logically grounded acknowledge that difference. Likewise, the Nazis inverted the Swastika, but still its main derivative properties are Hindu/Indian in nature(ironically meaning peace when in its proper position). Or there are those who use the Libertarian Gadsen flag to mean something different, then what it actually is. Libertarians are anti-State, but they are not anti-lawful.


Their improper use of these things, doesn't make it the new truth. It's just as false, and making it 'the new truth' is the same as acknowledging their viewpoint.

 

we know what the Confederate flag is, what it stands for, and it's disgusting

be like saying the swastika is just a religious symbol, while it is, that is not what most see it as

 

Because your initial response was “regional pride”. You didn’t add in anti-big government until I said that doesn’t make sense. I have already said that you are free to believe what you want but if someone wants to express their hate of big government and they have to go to a flag that only existed for a few years and is directly attributed to slavery that says more about that person than the flag does about “big government”

I am sure they will all say some version of “heritage not hate” like they have been programmed to do.

I look at statistics, so no, I wouldn’t.

I have the integrity to be able to admit that specific demographics — especially black men, commit crimes at levels that make them a statistical anomaly.

My original point stands

 

Quoting for prosperity.

I'll have to bring this out when next the time is right.

 

Have at it, I guess we all need our hobbies to entertain us

As usual, thanks for adding so much to the conversations you participate in.

 

I participate in a large number of conversations, and you normally respond with one or two word non sequiturs.

 

Very rarely do I respond with only one or two words unless the poster has said nothing except making their presence known.

So again, thanks for your deeply valued contribution

Let me know when you think you can use my words against me!

 

And that again, is an intellectual fallacy. At that point, it's less about 'what it is' and more 'what I want it to be'. Which is subjectively fine, but intellectually misinformed. Actually, let's use the left term: It's disinformation to assume all Swastika's are Nazi symbols. Or that the Libertarian Gadsen Flag necessarily mean an anarchist position.

Condemn the Confederate Flag all you'd like, but to be intellectually rooted in truth, it should be the actual Confederate Flag. Not that 'which has become known' to be the Confederate flag.

 

Regional pride can be separated from anti-big government. I added anti-big government only because that is one of the things that it represents to some people. One of the things that has nothing to do with skin color.

Maybe it doesn't make sense to you because you do not view things the same as they do. I myself have lived from one end of this country to the other and back again. As a result, I've learned about, and experienced, many different cultures within the US. There were very few that I didn't particularly like, the vast majority I did like. But ever since I was a little kid Idaho was always "Home". None of the other states that I lived in ever felt like "Home", even the state in which I was born does not feel like "Home". There is a sense of pride that I feel for living in the region that I do. Out of all the states that I have lived in, it is, IMO, the best State in the whole USA. Does that mean that I hate all others? Nope. Not in the slightest. Does it mean that I hate someone of a different skin color? Not even a smidge. If I chose to fly that flag, it would have absolutely nothing to do with slavery or skin color. You can claim that I'm just making excuses, but that is just you asserting your own opinion over mine as if you can dictate what it is that I truly mean if I flew that flag, as if my opinion was actually your opinion, and you are right and I am wrong. And you do not have that Right. Yes, you can have your own opinion as to why I might chose to fly that flag. But you would be wrong. And you cannot rightfully, morally or honestly, say that I am wrong and you are right.

If they are "programmed" to believe its about honoring their heritage, and not about hate, then that is what they believe. Who are you to say what they believe and don't believe? Who are you to choose which part of their heritage that they find honorable? Do you think that their heritage, ANYBODY'S heritage, just involves one thing? Do you think that all other heritage is erased simply because it also had bad parts in it? In this case slavery. If so then why do you not apply the same to anyone else? EVERY Race on this planet has a heritage of slavery, every flag is stained with blood. Therefore when blacks celebrate their heritage they are racist in your book? Because that one bad thing overwhelms all other parts of their heritage? Of course you don't. Because you recognize that peoples heritage involves far more than bad things. That usually when people celebrate their heritage they are not celebrating the bad things that was involved in their heritage, but rather they are celebrating the good things that are a part of their heritage. Yet you won't apply that to the people who fly this flag. You will automatically assume that they are racists and are possible threats. You will never once consider or listen to them when they tell you otherwise. They were just "programmed". As if you haven't been "programmed". As if being "programmed" is a negative and rare thing. When in fact its actually the standard. But you like to believe that you were never "programmed". Just "taught".

You look at statistics, but don't look at the whole. For instance, that poll that you previously provided regarding how many Americans think that flying that flag is racist. Did you ever look for a poll of the people that actually fly the flag and see what they believe it to mean to them? Do you even know how many people that fly that flag actually commit crimes? Versus those that fly say...the US flag? The Pride Flag? How about the Mexican Flag? The Candian Flag? The Gadsden Flag?

I do know one thing, no matter which statistic you look at in regards to violence, over all there is very little violence in the US comparatively speaking. Meaning the vast majority of people in ANY group in the US are not violent.

 

it's been what it is for a long long time, you want to change it to what you want it to be

 

No, I want to be historically accurate. It's necessary because even Sikh's get discriminated due to this narrative. We need to stop bastardizing history so as to make a couple of people feel better.

 

There doesn't seem to be much appetite for reconciliation right now. Seems like we're more interested in keeping old grievances in play. No reconciliation I guess.

 

“I don’t support slavery at all, just the heritage of a fallen nation that fought to keep slavery.” —guy in the picture, probably.

 

So... Red hats indicate a threat to life and limb to you?

 

I'd make book on them putting more of 'em up! The modern left loves them some Marx, as is so painfully obvious on this very forum on a daily.

 

Potential threat — yes

 

Well, the guy is black so I doubt he is interested in supporting slavery. I think he's just a guy living in the present, not the past

 

How?

 

They somewhat indicate a group that the FBI and DOJ advise are one of the most violent threats in the US.

Followed by their disdain for democracy and desire to force their will through theft of the voting process.

 

Realy? There are still people who don't understand how seriously corrupt and deceitful the DOJ and FBI are? I don't trust a single word those highly politicized agencies say right now. The appropriate thing to do right now is to tar and feather the whole d**n bunch.

 

Might wanna get your eyes checked bro, the guy in that pic is white.

 

Doesn’t matter how you slice it, if I see that particular flag I’m not gonna assume anything good about whoever’s holding it.