It's time. It's time to repeal the second amendment (revisited)

If there's ever a civil war in The United States, it'll be because the government started it. Any insurgency will be born out of defense against a hostile government.

 

Paranoid, conspiratorial thinking does nothing to advance the discussion.

 

You're right, thinking that American citizens need to be disarmed is rather paranoid.

Also something an authoritarian fascist might agree with. They love their subjects unarmed

 

Ya think?...

 

Your concept of "civil war" is narrow. You're using our own civil war of the past as a base line as to what a civil war looks like. In point of fact today's civil wars are all being conducted via guerilla tactics. Specifically because the government in power normally does have better weapons. And you don't show an inkling of understanding as to why the US military was sent home packing with its tail between its legs. As to why those tactics were so successful. As to why Palestine is still able to go against Israel even after decades of war with each other. You act as if no one will ever join them as time goes on. As if there is a limited amount of supply of people willing to fight against a tyrannical government and as such they will eventually all be caught, arrested, and permanently taken out of the fight. Not only does history show this to be wrong, but current activities show it to be wrong.

 

Until Heller, that was the prevailing view that the second amendment has everything to do with being a member of the militia, which is now the National Guard. If Dems can make the court liberal again, we will repeal Heller.

One of the most cited cases prior to Heller was United States v. Miller (1939), in which the Supreme Court upheld a federal law requiring the registration of certain firearms. The Court indicated that the right to keep and bear arms was related to the preservation or efficiency of a "well-regulated militia." The Miller decision was often interpreted to mean that the Second Amendment protects a collective right connected to militia service rather than an individual right to own firearms for personal use.

 

No, because the first amendment was never butchered by SCOTUS, as was the case with Heller and 2A.

 

Let me guess you don't want the government to give up their guns you only want citizens to be disarmed?

How very authoritarian of you.

 

That was never the prevailing view of the people.

 

You're the one predicting a civil war. Don't give us that "if" bullshit...lol

 

I'm 72, and I never ever heard it talked about much by 'the people' until the last decade or so, especially since Heller.

It was the prevailing view in the legal world.

"The gun lobby’s interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." Chief Justice Warren Burger, appointed by Richard Nixon.

 

Did I?

Really?

Can you prove it?

No, you can't, because I didn't predict a civil war.

So, quit making sh*t up.

 

Biden administration proposes to close loophole on background checks

The Biden administration on Thursday moved to expand background checks for gun purchases, a step toward fulfilling a key ask from gun safety groups.

The new rule, submitted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to the Federal Register, would clarify who qualifies as a firearms dealer, and therefore, who would have to conduct background checks on gun buyers. The measure comes after the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act updated federal law more than a year ago, requiring anyone who sells guns for profit to be licensed.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/31/biden-close-loophole-background-checks-00113642

I see this headline and think "enhanced background checks." Some see this headline and "think they are coming for my guns."

 

You keep saying that Conservatives want to start a civil war. Can you back that up at all?

 

Because prior to 1994, gun bans weren't a thing. You really got our attention with the 94 gun ban. Unintended consequences are a bitch. Right?...lol

 

Has it occurred to you, that other people may actually be able to follow the posts, you are calling "long, disjoined non-answers?" IOW, that your calling them this, would only be evidence of your limited reading level? Not that I think many would be interested in reading those detailings of the dysfunctional, truly non sequitur arguments that you make, in lieu of addressing any of the arguments from my posts, to which you are purportedly replying-- but if people who have been uninvolved in our conversation can make sense of them, when you, a participant, can't... well, it does not depict you, in a flattering light.

 

There are over 100 MILLION gun owners in this country. And because .00000351% of them ( and most don't even own their guns legally) have commited a mass shooting you want to repeal the 2A? Ok....

 

Of course it is, but in the grand scheme of things that doesn't justify repealing the 2A.

 

that's not the reason that really motivates most of the gun banners. It's the fact that ever since Democrats pretended that they're soft on crime policies could be covered up with gun control, gun owners started voting against them. It's all about politics-gun banners invariably are left-wingers and they see gun rights advocates as people who generally oppose not only their silly gun control as crime control bullshit, but other things most lefties support

 

They also see gun control advocates as people who don't mind seeing little kids get slaughtered....SMH

 

the sad thing is how stupid and sick that is-and the murder of children doesn't help the cause of gun rights advocates. Gun banners on the other hand........

 

Show me the quote. LINK to it, please.

I am not taking your word for it.

 

I did? No, YOU did.

Ford, Carter, Reagan Push for Gun Ban
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-05-05-mn-54185-story.html

 

Okay, if there were 5000 mass shootings per year, almost 14 mass shootings per day, which would only be 5/1000ths of a per cent of the total number of gun owners, by your logic that, too, is a trivial number of mass shootings.

Jeezus frickin' keerist some people are.........'

nevermind