Is this the dark age in masculinity?

Youre Wikipedia link doesnt support your assertion. After Emperor Theodosius died the empire was split in two, Visigoths sacked Rome add the plague and caused the dark ages.

 

Because you are making up your own standard.

 

OK, I admit that men are more likely to commit crimes. As I have stated before,

What can be done about it?

-- Children in general and boys in particular must get more protection from all types of abuse.

-- Young troubled men should get more help. I support Welfare, and free help for people in need.

-- Norwegian Penal System rehabilitates and is not punitive. Norway has lower recidivism rate then USA.

Unfortunately misandrists are not interested in helping anyone. They want to use the issue as a manipulation tool to attack the majority of men who are innocent of any wrong-doing.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that just because somebody is watched and paid attention to doesn't mean they are agreed with. How many of the follows of Andrew Tate are/were people hate watching him? Many controversial figures get views this way. How much of his fame is the result of his detractors calling attention to him? I would guess a pretty large percentage.

Google him and you are far more likely (thankfully) to see people speaking negatively of him than positively.

 

Too many get tribal in thinking and some will even outright tell you that male victims deserve less sympathy because they happen to be the same gender as most abusers.

 

Could you translate that, for me, into more specific language? How are you suggesting that "misandrists... want to use the issue... to attack the majority of (innocent) men?"

 

A while back some leftist artist decided to take a kid about six months old and vandalize him with a marker, writing stuff like "Abuser!", "Woman hater!", and "Misogynist!".

The implication the "artist" was making is that men are all born abusers and are even abusive at six months of age.

Well, I guess a six month old infant could be an abuser, in theory, but only if his mom is a whore and daddy is a total whoremonger.

 

You equating gun ownership to weakness is wholly created in your own head and makes no logical sense.

 

Tough Guys don't need guns, just ask any coroner.

 

Misandrists use the issue to shame and manipulate men rather then offering useful solutions such as I mentioned above

 

I suffered was what I did and so have countless others because Society failed to ACCEPT our REALITY.

This NEEDLESS suffering must be ENDED now!

The Xtofascists need to BUTT OUT of the lives of transpeople and their families.

So what else ONE CAN DO is to make that happen in Society NOW.

 

It is ILLOGICAL to own a gun if you have no FEAR of an "inanimate object" like a gun.

Guns are SOLD under the guise of personal "PROTECTION"?

Only the WEAK need the personal "PROTECTION" of guns makes perfect logical sense.

 

The wiki link describes the Dark Ages as a period of IGNORANCE as opposed to the Enlightenment Ages that were periods of KNOWLEDGE.

Toxic masculinity is IGNORANCE personified. Toxic masculinity INCLUDES anger which is ignorance of the dangers of emotional suppression. It includes homophobia which is ignorance of REALITY. Then there is the SEXISM which is the ultimate ignorance of failing to understand that women are EQUAL to men.

 

I'm afraid that is not much clearer. I will ask the same question of your supposed clarification: HOW do they use the issue to shame and manipulate men? Here is a tip. When you think you've answered that question, put the words "How do they," in front of your explanation. If there is no simpler, more basic way to explain what is already there, then you are ready to send the reply. But if, like your first answer-- that they want to use the issue to attack men-- it is something which could be further explained, and leaves open the questions "How do they use it, how do they attack?" then you need write something more, or explain it in a different way. Likewise, your "clarification," that the manner in which misandrists attack men is to "use the issue to shame & humiliate men," does not answer how they do this. If instead, you had said, for example, "they accuse men of having raped them," well that is fully explained, see? I can't ask, "how do they accuse men of rape," because the answer appears self-evident, that they go on a date, have sex (or don't) and then falsify a police report. But when you begin your answer with the word "use," that tells me nothing. How do they use, is what I am asking. Saying they shame, or humiliate men, doesn't tell me what they do because, I assume you realize, there is not only one way to shame or humiliate.

I have faith, you can nail it, on this next attempt.

 

Are you ADMITTING that you NEED a gun to PROTECT yourself?

 

They bring it up in conversation 100% unrelated to crime or justice system. For example

-- a man complains about anti-male discrimination
-- someone mentions lack of help for men abused by women
-- a man is offended by hashtags like #killallmen or #menaretrash

Those who bring up the issue imply that men should never complain about unfairness they face since all men bear innate guilt due to other men's crimes.

 

Agree 100%. I agree with Liberals on most issues.

 

I knew you could do it! Unfortunately (for you), I haven't really experienced much of what you are talking about. Oh, I'm sure, if I went looking for it, online, I could find it-- but why would I want to (especially if I found it offensive)? I have never really felt that there was what I would call anti-male discrimination; some anti-male attitudes, but that is hardly the most objectionable part of this world or life. And it is not like there aren't plenty of anti-female attitudes in the world, which I think are far more widespread, although not as often recognized.

Nor had it ever seemed to me that there was a lack of help for men abused by women. I don't believe there is nearly as much of a need, for one thing, nor do I think that men are as willing as women, to seek out this type of assistance. But that has to do with deeply ingrained stereotypes, which exist for both sexes-- hardly anything that could be pinned on just the female gender.

I would think that the lion's share of those who might complain about a lack of such services, would be abused men who were unable to find the help that they need. But it is my sense, just from a few conversations, here, on this topic, that most of the men complaining about it, are not in need of those services. Are you an exception, to that rule?

 

Yeah I am.

Are you admitting that you don't want any guns protecting you?

 

Already made that admission in post #61 above.

I don't NEED guns to protect me which is why I don't have any.

 

@Derideo_Te , Then you might as well just take 911 out of your phone.

Even if the cops show up you don't want them doing anything on your behalf. Because, cops got guns and there is no law enforced that is not ultimately enforced a gun point.

You have the illusion of saftey becuse dangerous men with dangerous tools are insulating you from the violent harshness of reality.

 

Law enforcement can take away whatever pieces my dogs haven't torn to shreds before they arrived.

On my property they are law enforcement and they don't need guns either. They are first responders literally armed to the teeth and they run towards the threat. Did I forget to mention that they are on duty 24*7 and make great pets too?

Only a fool believes that they can just grab their gun from a deep sleep and then be able to shoot someone accurately while they still aren't fully awake.

 

Yup, because I don't need to find them, load them, take off the safety, aim them and pull the trigger with a high probability of killing a family member instead.

Not ONLY defending myself, my FAMILY is also protected so I don't need to groom...er, "teach" everyone else how to handle guns. I don't need to concern myself that they might be STOLEN when I am not at home either.

Dogs are MULTIPURPOSE animals which is more than you can say for that useless lump of metal.

 

Well let's see here, a gun ain't all that useless. You put a dog down with ten-cent .22 cartridge.

 

Ever tried hitting MULTIPLE small targets moving at 30 mph TOWARDS you in less than 2 seconds?

Did I forget to mention that you are in a strange place and it is dark and the dogs are probably coming at you from different directions?

My money is on the dogs reaching you BEFORE you can take aim, let alone pulled the trigger.