Sweden gangs: PM summons army chief after surge in killings

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  1. fmw

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    Thanks. I have rapped by knuckles with a ruler. :)
     
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    That is George Soros' mission in life, and it is working. Our society is being destabilized thanks to his funding of anti establishment non profits.
    It is something that needs to be addressed.
     
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    In my reply to Pisa, I further cite the statistics, and do the math, to put the U.S. & Sweden on an even footing, numerically, for comparison (as I see, you have already seen). It turns out we "only" have about 178 gang related, gun murders, a month, so the proportional number, to Sweden's 10, would be 332, in terms of U.S. population. It is not so much about the exact number, though, as the percentage difference, between the two countries rates. And 10 gang gun murders in one month, in Sweden, represents an 86.5% increase, relatively speaking, over the rate we typically see in the U.S. Therefore, seeing such a dramatic reaction from Sweden's leader, should not be surprising.
     
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    Poland's leaders are amazing! Makes me wanna live in Poland.

    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMjasU4vR/

    Says exactly what we've been saying all along. And now that it's fairly.obvious Merkles mass migration ideology has been a big ****ing failure...Poland laughing!

    Progressive bleeding hearts preaching diversity need to eat this L.

    Waaaa. Poland is being bigoted towards Muslims! Waaaaaa. The country is safe. It's prospering. It's desirable.
     
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    So then you support the proposal to use federal forces? Your OP had sounded to me like you were against the idea. I haven't done the research I would want to do, to be sure, but I don't disqualify the possibility, that this may be a reasonable way, maybe even Sweden's most effective way, to deal with the problem. Every country does not have our own restrictions against using the military, domestically. I think this prohibition is advisable, when one looks at history, up to the present day. Nevertheless, not all countries are in the same political boat, and reasonable fear of an authoritarian crackdown, in Sweden, may be far lower, than in most countries.
     
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    There are already enough SA immigrants here that we are completely changed and there is no going back, Good or bad the transformation is progressing.
     
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    Are there better places to go and better places to stay away from as far as all the gangs as far as cities as opposed to just neighborhoods?
     
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    It is progressing at an accelerated pace since the imposter Biden was installed.
     
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    Of course.

    The city of Malmö, in the southern part of the country (right across the bridge from where most of the population in Denmark is concentrated) has a certain notoriety. Certain neighborhoods in the surrounding Stockholm area. Those two areas are where it is concentrated, but there are now problems spread across most all of the larger cities in the country. (We're talking about cities with 60,000 to 130,000 people)
     
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    I'm undecided. On one hand I believe that violent organized crime groups are absolute evil and defeating them should be the top priority. It's nothing short of a cancer for society. On the other hand mindset of a soldier is different the one of a policeman. I'm not really sure that military is a right tool for this.

    Anyway it's good for Sweden to acknowledge the problem and not to try to hide under the rug like we do it here in Israel.
     
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    In general I agree, BUT in Sweden a large portion of the migrants are single young males, that probably came from a more traditional family in Africa and Middle east. I dont doubt that now in Europe they to will be producing the next batch of fatherless males.

    And then they can blame all of societies ills on the racist white man and his oppression of the black and brown man. Even when it Syrians that look white to me, but evidently have enough brown to absolve them of any whiteness.
     
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    Can a gang even violate anything in the constitution? Treason I guess, but that's the only crime listed in the document. Everything else applies to the state or Federal governments.
     
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    Doesn't "too many" imply they're having some deleterious effect on the country?
     
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    Like... all of them? I own firearms under UK style gun laws in Australia and oppose them. Surely there are a few people like me in waiting in the US who would pass but still oppose them? Not even one?

    42% of Americans think the laws should either be less strict or stay as they are, surely there's someone in those 139 million people who would nonetheless pass the UK style tests? https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
     
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    Two people killed and a little explosion.
    Sounds like a quiet night if it happened in Baltimore.
     
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    It's probably more the issue of not having enough to do, as in work.
    Your random refugee from say Syria, who was a dentist or something, ends up being in limbo for quiet some time if he gets acknowledges as a refugee. Some processes take years. And in all that time, they are not allowed to do jack all. So they end up being a dentist who was unemployed for years.... and than the paperwork about their education usually gets refused to be acknowledged. So he had a profession in Syria, and in Sweden the person ends up being unskilled labor with a resume where it says "been unemployed for years".

    So than if you stuff a couple of 100 of those people together in the same neighborhood, that's when the trouble arises due to people who start up their illegal side businesses. It is not as if a community is usually in need of so a concentration of so much "unskilled" labor. And it's not as if suddenly such a refugee is motivated to work at McDonalds 40 hours a week while he used to be a dentist.

    That is kind of the massive difference between a refugee fleeing from a war, and an immigrant looking for a job.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    That's that diversity bullshit Sweden was sold on that would give them strength.

    It has not.
     
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    My understanding is they were refugees and the plan was to send them back. At least in Germany et al. Many of the young men have extremely negative views of the West and women due to their extreme Muslim upbringing. This is another factor.

    I don't think it is the West's job to save all these people, sorry.
     
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    This is about Sweden and not Germany. But if you will. Germany has like 5 million Muslims. They have been there for 70 years, give or take. Your entire idea that this is due to the Muslim upbringing is based on what? The last 10 years tops? How did that happen? Could it not possible be that people are just racist against brown people and they had enough of it? They found almost 900 reported racist/Islamophobic incidents, a year, without a clue how many go unreported. But it's just nasty. It's poke a bear and see what happens to than complain about it.

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/stu...cidents-occurred-in-germany-last-year/2931836


    The west has deliberately destabilized the entire middle east for decades on end. And if you will, the West is backing up Jewish Israel who behaves like the Russians in Ukraine.
     
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    Based on personal reports from mostly women and mostly left wing. I've heard enough of them to get an idea. Actually, they were all left wing. I don't really hang with right wing Europeans... The media sweeps this under the carpet mostly... Yep, I'm sure the refugees cop a bit too from the neonazis. Don't think the RW gang-molest/rape their women though.


    I assume you're talking about Turks. They're a little bit better assimilated. They are mostly exploited as cheap labor so I don't think the Germans can complain about the Turks/Poles, whoever too much. I'm not going to indulge that poke the bear anology for a second. They were welcomed as best they could and the danger is over so they can return and reapply for immigration. thanks.

    I'm definitely for the West helping (in a non-exploitative way) Arabic and Muslim countries to get on their feet. Some of those countries sure have a lot of money through all the oil that we have purchased. But they still have a medieval Sharia law justice system that they seem to want to import over here. F off with that.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/world/middleeast/dubai-crimes-united-arab-emirates-jail.html


    I'm all for melting pots but there's a limit to the numbers of some type of immigrants that western countries can take. I am not anti-muslim. I was a psychologist for a bunch of progressive private Muslim schools back in Australia.
     
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    Also there was an article or 2 about Afghanistani men in Austria. They were interviewed tactfully and thoughtfully beabout why they have the unique tendency to jump women, drag them into the bushes and attempt to rape them.

    I'm not going to find it for you, you can Google & dig up the other side yourself.
     
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    Turkish-run, again. Much more moderate and tolerant form of Islam.
     
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    I just sourced that right wing violence against immigrants is just massive. I do believe they even rounded up far right wing nazi groups recently.
    And I dunno where this entire idea comes from that Muslims just rape around. Sounds xenophobic.

    Sure sure. Syria, Afghanistan... it's all safe. lol


    The west recently raped Afghanistan rather well for 20 years. It also plunged Iraq into the stone age. Since Iraq was occupied, means the west was responsible for it's affairs... like letting ISIS spawn and cross over to Syria. The west also facilitates the genocide in Yemen.

    And here you are whining that those Muslims are violent. It's not as if Germany got bombed into the stone age.


    of course
     
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    Whatever dude. Four straw man's in a row.

    Feel free to keep going with the haymakers.... I won't stop you.
     
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