THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

Telling us person from the country where all the big media are state controlled already for 20 years and every opposition is just destroyed. And of course, he will not be able to put 2 words together to list these objectionable people, who are imprisoned or killed in Ukraine because of their opposition to goverment.

 

In reality, opposition parties have been banned for a very long time. The rest compete only in the degree of Russophobia and Ukrainian nationalism. The difference between them is cosmetic.

 

No, dear "not Ukrainian", Americans have an inadequate view of events. Are you trying to convince a person living in Russia that you know better than him what is happening in Russia?

After all, what city in Russia have you been to and when? I became interested.

 

Why are you worried then? One of these days, Russia will surrender, apparently, and everything will be fine!

 

The famous Ukrainian journalist and writer Oles Buzina was killed on April 16 near his home in Kiev. The journalist was shot 5 times, the last bullet was fired in the head.

A high-profile murder took place in Kiev on April 15. Oleg Kalashnikov, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of the V convocation from the Party of Regions, was shot dead at the door of his apartment on Pravda Avenue. The investigation is considering several versions of what happened, including the financing of the "anti-Maidan" in the Mariinsky Park. Kalashnikov said that he received the last letter "with another batch of threats and insults" on April 13.

On the night of April 12-13, a journalist, co-founder of the online publications proUA and the Regional Committee, Sergei Sukhobok, was killed in Kiev, the details of his death have not yet been reported.

On March 12, the former head of the Zaporozhye administration, Alexander Peklushenko, died. According to law enforcement officials, the politician's body was found in his own house in the village of Solnechnoye. Peklushenko died from a gunshot wound to the neck. According to the version voiced by investigators, the ex-governor shot himself. The relatives and acquaintances of Peklushenko did not believe in the version of his suicide.

On February 28, Mikhail Chechetov, a people's deputy, ex-deputy chairman of the Party of Regions faction, jumped out of the window of his own apartment. He left a suicide note. Chechetov was involved in a criminal case on abuse of power and official forgery during the adoption of "dictatorial laws" on January 16, 2014.

On February 25, the 57-year-old mayor of Melitopol, Sergei Walter, hanged himself. This happened a few hours before the start of the court hearing in his case. Regional (member of the pro-Russian "Party of Regions") Walter was accused of creating an organized criminal group in the city authorities. The prosecutor's office demanded a sentence of 14 years in prison for him.

The next day, on February 26, the body of 47-year-old deputy chief of the Melitopol police department Alexander Bordyug was found in the garage. According to media reports, the former head of the Curb was a lawyer in the case of Mayor Walter. The cause of death is unknown.

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These are only the most famous cases in just a few months of 2014.

But you continue to protect Ukrainians! They are fighting for democracy.

 

.....mind games....very clever.....do you find these passive aggressive tactics help to improve the point you are trying to put over or is it aimed at trying to undermine your opponent? Do you employ it as a form of reinforcement technique; something you employ as part of a quasi-intellectual domination strategy, or do you use it as a tool as part of a defensive repertoire?

 

Yes, it's just that if you summarize everything that you have told, it seems that Russia is about to collapse! I read such alarmist and panic forecasts every day. It's already getting familiar.

 

....one merely forwards the information provided for others to digest....

for example.....




at face value this tweet seems to suggest "panic" do you think there is panic in Melitopol? Is one going to view this tweet as authoritative or mere puffery?

As you yourself know there are multiple domaines in which this conflict is being fought, the battlefield being merely one. Utilisation of multiple domains and their domination provides for a swifter route towards resolution but domination in one does not...domination in the battlefield provides visible evidence of occurrences but does not in itself offer the progression towards victory (whatever ones definition may be). Ergo tweets like this. Someone unfamiliar with social media for example could conclude on face value that the loss of Tokmak is imminent....is it? Unlikely don't you think as there are certain conditions which have to happen for that occurrence to transpire.
The general content of the tweet is short and pointed and aimed at delivering a message...not neccesarily delivering a verifiable fact? It's like your messaging here, its designed to provide a narrative based on a standard repertoire developed in order to provide a representation of a reality created to fit into the information war domaine. The created reality has snippets of curated fact and we are therefore understood to beleive that Russia is in no way impacted by or stressed in any manner as a result of the conflict in Ukraine. That's obviously a very highlevel overview of your function but I think it's generally the idea. Do we believe your construction? It isn't neccessary really though is it! It's not required for readers to "believe" what you are curating because that's not the purpose of the created narrative...the point is familiarity by repetition. By constantly putting out the same message readers start to become familiar with the content and start to accept the premise and the arguement is then deflected...at which point the premise is accepted.

You see for example, the information provided to you is nothing new or startling or indeed even contentious; there is nothing there that can be argued over, however, it is simply not part of your allowed construct therefore the "go to" response was to deflect the course back to territory you think your narrative can command. Like Surkov et al have done since the 2000s onwards in Russia, one has to provide narratives curated from sureal and factual and created perspectives in order to allow people accept what they are being told....not believe...but merely accept in order for those with a competing agenda to proceed without to much civil unease or too many people questioning the narrative.

 

I don't "supervise" anything, I'm not an official and no one pays me money for treating your brains on this site. For example, I remember that there have already been repeated reports that Russia is running out of missiles, shells, or that Russia does not have microchips and they are being picked out of washing machines. Well, where is the confirmation of this "news"? Megabytes and tons of such lies are regularly thrown into the media space. And after all, you continue to believe such news!

 

What is your assessment of this piece of information on Telegram....are you familiar with the poster for example...has his content been accurate...does he have an agenda....why is this being posted



your thoughts on how this tactical change mimics Russian tactics...is this possibly a retrograde step for UAF....is it an ominous situation for Russian MOD?

 

....nothing penetrated then huh.....excellent

 

I am monitoring the situation on one site where members collect information from various sources and draw a map based on the analysis of the results. Now there are no special changes in this area.

But on another site I found a brief analysis of the situation.

‼️The enemy is advancing at Kleshcheyevka and Andreevka, trying to break through the defenses at the railway In the evening of 03.10 fierce fighting on the southern flank of Artemovsk resumed. The enemy launched an assault, sending units with the support of armored vehicles to attack in Kleshcheyevka itself, near Andreevka and in the forest belts along the railway. ➨ "They are climbing on the iron (railway) from the Ticks (Kleshcheyevka) again, we meet them," our fighters reported from the spot. ➨ Our attack helicopters successfully worked on the enemy in Kleshcheyek, and the 4th brigade bombed a BMP and a truck. The APU is trying to gain a foothold along the forest belt near the railway northeast of Andreevka. The fighting continues in the gray zone in the area of the railway north-east and south-east of Andreevka, Ukrainian military analysts report. Having previously retreated from Kleshcheyevka and the completely destroyed Andreevka, our troops continue to cover the enemy with artillery, aircraft and kamikaze drones. ➨ The fighting continues.

 

Nevalny says hi! Moscow times says hi! And surely you have noticed a large number of high officials having been attacked by 10 storey windows in the past few years...

 

I was thinking more of a tactical analysis....for example the lack of counter battery fire for example the poster seems to suggest? The issue with artillery exchanges has always been the ability of the opposing side to strike back at the tubes firing. This snippet would seem to suggest the UAF are sufficiently confident to position artillery within the operational range of Russian counter battery exchange systems should they be present(?)....it leads me to think that they have a level of confidence in a) the accuracy of their rounds and b) the relative security against counter battery fire. It also seems to suggest that their logistics are resilient for the time being bearing in mind the recent Russian air attacks on the UAF supply chains. The shift in tactics also seems to suggest that UAF have adequate levels of inventory OR is it the use of guided munitions? That would be interesting to know just what munitions they are using.

Changes in territory for me are absolutely irrelevent it's the ability and methodology of the conflict which is telling....territory comes and goes....and ultimately based on logistics.

The article seems to suggest that in terms of countering the UAF tactic (copying the Russian tactic) that Russian MOD is struggling to adapt to the shift which is interesting would you agree?

 

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I am not so interested in events that I can still track the tactics of counter-battery firing of the APU. To thoroughly understand this, you need to sit on the Internet around the clock and search for information. And I have my own affairs: work, family, repairs, hobbies. I'm sorry to waste my life studying this ridiculous war.

 

The fact that Navalny was put in prison does not justify political assassinations in Ukraine in any way!

 

I think Ukraine is waaaayyyy more democratic than whatever the hell you think you have in Russia. Putin has squashed any and all political opponents.

 

which rather begs the question why you post on this thread then...?? What is your interest in this conflict?

 

You ask an amazing question! For 20 years I have been seeing how the Russian language and history are being destroyed in Ukraine. How normal people are taught to hate Russia. I've been reading accusations of crimes I didn't commit for 20 years. I hear insults from Ukrainians. And I understand that all this comes from the West, that this is a long-term campaign, an ideological war. How our athletes are squeezed out of the Olympics, how films are made in Hollywood where all the negative characters are usually Russian. Why don't I care about all this?

 

You're thinking wrong! Now there is less democracy in Ukraine than in some Latin American countries. They can easily kill you there if you say something against the official political course. And people are simply grabbed on the street and sent to the front.

 

This is far from over.

 

or....perhaps that is a function of the regressive component of the Putin Government's view of the world and his idea of Russia's place within it! The overarching component of Putin's re-styled world view is that Russia has a claim on its lost territories and that the courses of action he has embarked upon has caused concern (with justification) regarding is future intentions. You seem caught up in a feedback loop which starts from the point that the world should allow Putin a free rein to persue his intentions irrespective of consequences. Thus, complaining about consequences means that the actions taken were probably erroneous in the first place. There is alway friction in the world but seeking to increase that friction creates dilemmas - your Governments actions have created the dilemmas and exacerbated them by creating narratives seeking to shift the consequences onto others....it's like a child that thinks he can do what he wants and them blame others when he gets in trouble for it.

 

That is quite wrong, of course. I was a student of Russian visiting Ukraine years back, several years before Putin invaded and stole Crimea, and there was never a hint of hatred for Russians there. Everyone spoke Russian in Kyiv and Odessa and there were no problems of that nature to be seen. What was apparent was the poverty and alcoholism that came from Ukraine's past as part of the USSR, however.

In short, it's the economy, stupid. The Ukrainians want a better life than they could get having close ties to Putin's empire. The desire for a better life has turned Ukrainians westward seeking prosperity. Your damned dictator is paranoid about the west, however, and will not accept Ukraine being closer to the west. He has always forced Ukraine to make a choice in the matter, to choose him or the west, and then he made it no choice at all when the Ukrainians didn't choose what he wanted.

 

Villains are not generally Russian, unless its a cold war set flick. And in the modern day often not even then.

Villains are generally British.