Canada’s house speaker apologises after praising Ukrainian veteran of Nazi unit

I am sure that you love Nazi pictures -because you approve of the actions of Ukrainians.
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By the way, you will be surprised, but in ancient times Slavic tribes lived on the Elbe. This is a scientific fact, not propaganda.

 

Yes...I love Nazi pics so much that I hope the "cheer team" keeps posting them here.....

Yes and I understand that there is a colony of Russian settlers on Venus?.....Pravda said so.

And according to a couple members here Ohio state had ancient Russki settlers....and St Louis MO can trace back to its Russian roots.

 

Make a face clown!

 

Yes Immigration Canada based on a report by the Duschene Commission made a decision that notwithstanding the Nuremberg Trial findings, Ukrainians who fought in the Galicia units were not necessarily war criminals depending on what they did so many were not precluded from coming to Canada after WW2.

Hunka went to Czechoslovakia after WW2 then came to Canada in 1968 when the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia and put down their attempt to become independent of the Soviets.

Canada let in numerous Nazis after WW2. Anti-semitism in Canada was very much was reflected in its immigration policies. Canada has a history of discrimination against its own native Canadians and a long list of ethnicities. The Prime Minister of Canada referred to Jews openly as vermin during WW@ and sent a boat load of refugees back to Germany to die.

That is not the issue. In the Ukrainian community Hunka is considered someone who fought the Soviets to liberate Ukraine from Soviet control and did not necessarily engage in SS activities against citizens.

As a Jew who had relatives die in Kiev in a slaughter I need no lecture from anyone on Ukrainian anti-semitism and neither does its leader Zelensky whose family died in the holocaust and is also Jewish.

The applauding of Hunka was ill advised. It reflects an ignorance as to WW2 history. The family of Hunka did NOT ask he be singled out and applauded.

It was wrong. However it is now being used by Russian apologists to try deflect from the illegal occupation of Ukraine by Russia and specifically to advance a Russian propaganda line portraying the Russian invasion not as an illegal invasion but a liberation of Ukraine from Nazis. The Russian propaganda portrays any Ukrainian who fights the Russian invasion as a Nazi supporter.

Ukrainians in world war two faced massive starvation (the Holodomor) because of Stalin's deliberate policy to destroy their crops. It was a mass slaughter by starvation. Ukrainians had two choices, fight the Russians or fight the Nazis or fight both. They fought whoever was the most immediate danger and if they allied with the Germans for expediency.

Certain Ukrainians slaughtered Jews. They would have slaughtered Jews whether they were anti Russian, pro Russian, pro Nazi, anti Nazi. Both the Soviets and Nazis hated Jews.

Anti-semitim in Ukraine flowed from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. It was a religious concept that Jews were descended from the killers of Christ and so unless they converted should be condemned as evil.

That mentality and belief pervaded throughout all of Christian Europe where the religion and state laws were not seperated. In fact Nazism just brought out this belief in a well organized manner. Until the gas chambers the slaughters were done with pogroms-attacks during Easter and Christmas on Jewish enclaves. Jews were not allowed to own land or live with gentiles and so they were easy to find and slaughter.

That history is now unknown to pro Russian apologists on this forum. They ignore it. They want to divide Jews against Ukrainians in Ukraine and across the world in regards to the Russian invasion in Ukraine.

So they take incidents such as this one in Canada and try drive a wedge and make it seem like Canada supports Ukraine because Ukraines who are against the invasion like Hunka are all Nazis.

Who Hunka is and the Canadian track record of Nazis allowed into Canada is another issue. The issue its being exploited for is to paint all Ukraines as Nazis and to suggest Zelensky a Jew from holocaust survivors is a Nazi.

Its lame and manipulative horse sheeyat. Yes Hunka has a questionable relationship as a member of the Galencia. Yes. To use that to push the agenda this somehow makes the invasion of Ukraine an acceptable anti Nazi liberation exercise is deliberately false and designed to deflect from Russian war crimes.

Ukraine when it became an independent nation ironically dealt openly with its anti semitic history both during its Nazi occupation and Soviet occupation. Under both regimes, they supported and assisted anti semitism. The Soviets continued vicious anti semitism in Warsaw Pact nations they took over after WW2.

Poland, the Czech Republic and Ukraine when they became independent met with Israel leaders and officially accounted for what happened in their countries during WW2. In fact the Czechs were the only country that provided desperate Jewish refugees the little weapons they had in 1949 when these Jews faced a war to wipe them out headed by ex Nazis, French and British officers running and leading the Arab League armies.

Ukraine had open and strong relations with Israel including major projects being financed and assisted in Ukraine by Israel and specific technology from Ukraine used in Israel.

The attempt to drive a wedge in their alliance by Russia failed. Because Russia is next door in Syria and Israel has to avoid a war with Russia in Syria and because of the Jewish population in Russia, Israel has to be very diplomatic with Putin so as not to give him an excuse to attack Jews in Russia. Putin is supported by right wing Neo Nazis which is ironic since Putin and those same Neo Nazis accuse Ukraine of being those Neo Nazis.

For the Russian bots on this thread-this story has already died, and your attempts to use it as a deflection are as lame as the incitement of Trump. Your attempts to deflect from what Russia has done and is doing are absurd. The smell of death travels the world and no matter how much farting you engage in to mask it, the odour of death in Ukraine prevails.

You know where to find me if any of you care to come out of the closet and admit what you support and present your agenda Ukrainians are Nazis because they fight for their freedom.

 

You support Putin who you know is supported by Neo Nazis and is a Neo Nazi. How's that absurdity working out for you?

Go on deny you support Neo Nazi extremists behind Putin....

Who are you calling out for loving Nazi pictures? Lol.




https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/13...zis-it-should-be-taking-a-hard-look-at-itself

https://www.eupoliticalreport.eu/russia-is-the-worlds-breeding-ground-for-neo-nazi-culture/

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-there-any-truth-to-russias-ukrainian-nazis-propaganda/a-63970461


https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis

 

Hah-ha-ha-ha ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^

I'm just gonna assume someone was hitting the bottle early this morning.

 

1. I didn't call liberals fascists. Misinformation
2. I didn't call you a liberal. Misinformation
3. I didn't claim "Canadians" are Nazis. I only claimed Nazis are Nazis. Misinformation

These accusations are also irrelevant and an attempt to distract from the actual facts.

This entire post is one big fallacy. You have not made a coherent or intelligent point grounded in any basis of fact. You keep talking about "evidence," and yet here you are making more unfounded allegations without evidence. Extremely hypocritical.

Now, let's talk about the facts. You came into this thread to defend a situation about a man recognized in Canada's Parliament as a WWII veteran who fought against Russia (aka a Nazi) as a "hero" and showered him with praise. In doing so you've used terms coined by Nazi propagandists and you've started ranting about troll farms and other nonsense. When it was been pointed out that your posts sound more like a troll farm than those you're debating, you began inventing new false allegations to hide from the facts.

 

His division is responsible for the Huta Pieniacka Massacre. Esimates say they murdered ~500-1500 people. His division found out a village was friendly to the Russians and hiding Jews. In response, they invaded the village and decided to go door to door and murder people. Survivors say they also rounded people up into a church, then brought families out, and forced the parents to watch as they murdered their children, before killing the parents. This massacre occurred during Hunka's time of service. His role in this massacre is unknown, but this group of SS soldiers wasn't just a bunch of well-intentioned people trying to liberate Ukraine from Russian imperialism. They were volunteer Nazis and did what Nazis do.

 

Why can't you just say this was completely wrong, full stop? We shouldn't ignore facts and behaviors simply because you feel it helps Russia in some immeasurably small capacity. This was wrong. And we shouldn't hide from discussing it openly and transparently just because a few people see the Russian boogieman hiding behind every corner. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. You don't need to be an apologist here. It impacts the war in Ukraine in no way whatsoever. Stop pretending it does.

 

"His division is responsible"


AS I've stated earlier....no evidence linking to crimes, unit disbanded, individuals cleared.

Next bonfire?

 

Und huytah Europa....und zu morgen die Welt?

 

Mindestens Alaska, New York UND Kalifornien!

 

LOL.

Oh?....warum nur New York und Kalifornien?

America ist am Ende?

Schweine und Hunde?

Laut.....cheer team....hier?

 

Yeah, maybe he stayed behind reading the Bible and feeding the hungry. In any event, he was a Nazi and deserves no sympathy or praise.

 

And maybe he did stay behind and read the Bible and feed the hungry?

Or maybe Mein Kampf....?

 

Canadians don't like fascists. Anthony Rota, Speaker of the Parliament, invited Yaroslav Hunka to be his guest for Zelenskyy's visit and introduced Hunka as war Ukrainian-Canadian WW2 hero. The MPs thought Hunka fought the Nazis and applauded on cue. Rota was forced out as Speaker in four days.

 

Why can't you say Russian aggression in the Ukraine is "completely wrong?"

You made that up. @Death said, "It was wrong."

You're sidestepping Putin's war crimes.

Cliché time?

@Death isn't the apologist, you are.

You're trying to undermine our resolve to stop Putin by casting Ukrainian's in a bad light.

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/how-jewish-is-volodymyr-zelensky-1zBi4bpLPCHVjWiAJh6gOq

 

I've said I disagree and never qualified my response in any fashion to mitigate it. Nor will you find any post from me on this forum (or elsewhere) doing so. So why make more unfounded accusations?

What does Putin have to do with Canada's Parliament praising a Nazi? Why do you keep trying to change the subject about how bad Putin is. He's an ass, we get it. Not disagreeing. It seems you're pretending we disagree on this issue because you want to hide from your prior behavior.

"Undermine our resolve?" What does saying, "let's not praise Nazis" have to do with "undermining your resolve?" You believe your "resolve" relies on praising Nazis? That's a very strange thing to say. But, it makes sense considering your spewing of Nazi propaganda elsewhere in this thread. I would argue that basic human decency and morality requires opposing the praising of Nazis and opposing those who wish to brush it under the rug. The two are mutually exclusive for those on the side of both decency and anti-Nazism. Supporting human rights in every facet is more important than your made up view that praising Nazis enforces "your resolve." If your ideology requires turning the cheak on those praising Nazis you should probably internalize that before admitting it publicly. It's highly embarrassing and kind of scary.

Also, this doesn't paint Ukraine in a bad light. It paints the people who blindly praised a Nazi in a bad light. They should be embarrassed and stop blaming others. They were specifically told he was a WWII vet who fought the Soviets, aka - they were told he was a Nazi and fought against the Allies trying to stop Hitler and Nazism.

 

Still can't let go corn pops.....Nazis this....Nazis that....what's your mission exactly.....since you've clearly flopped back & forth here.

You must be getting a bonus for beating this dead horse?

 

I haven't seen anything from you that claims Putin has committed--indeed is committing--war crimes in the Ukraine.

It's your way of undermining our support for the Ukraine by insinuating Zelenskyy, a Jew, is a fascist?

He's a war criminal.

You're suggesting Zelenskyy, a Jew, is a Nazi. Your claim I support praising a Nazi is a ridiculous.

A personal attack.

Incoherent.

A repeat personal attack.

All this to cover your tracks?

Putin is a war criminal, a lot worse than being as ass. We should help the Ukrainians resist Russian aggression. MAGA types are wrong to advocate withdrawing NATO support. Why won't you say it?

 

...wait a minute... who was fighting the Soviets in 1945 again?

 

Yes, this thread is about praising Nazis. I'm sticking to the thread topic and haven't flipped on any position. I'm sorry you don't want to talk about praising Nazis, perhaps you should find a different thread that isn't about Nazis rather than trying to mitigate and make excuses for those who gave them praise.

 

Please stop lying. It seems every post you provide a new lie to distract. I have never suggested Zelensky is a Nazi or anything close to it. In fact, I haven't even discussed Zelensky because this has nothing to do with him.

Rather than lying about my positions, why not talk about things I've actually said?

These were your exact words. I said denouncing the praising of a Nazi in Canada's parliament does nothing to impact the war in Ukraine. You followed it up by saying it weakens your resolve and those who agree with you. It's a strange thing to say, but everyone can read it for themselves. You also said this after making a post attacking others with a propaganda term coined by Hitler and his chief propagandists.

Unlike you, I'm using your exact words and the exact arguments you have made in this thread. Nothing I have said isn't supported by your posts. You're the one making things up out of thin air.

You're also hiding from the basic fact that this man was effectively introduced as a Nazi. Everyone with a grade school education knows who was fighting the Soviets during WWII and who was allied with the Soviets. These were professional politicians who presumably have a grade school education. They should have known better.

 

Why do You think that mr. Hunka is Nazi at first place to be so worried about it?