This is how you can create a democratic socialist state.

1. Incorporate workers union into the top level of government.

1. Have a workers Guild for every industry that represents the workers for the whole industry.
2. Allow each Guild to elect 1 member to the Upper house of the government.
3. Allow the Upper house equal voting power to the lower house.
4. Allow the Upper house to elect the head of state (president).

2. Give localities large amounts of power and autonomy

1. Similar to Switzerland have a bunch of local cities/counties.
2. Give them all mostly autonomy over everything outside of the business sector.
3. Allow each locality to appoint members to the lower house proportional to their population.
4. Allow the lower house to appoint the Head of Government (Prime Minister)

3. Give the central government control over laws affecting the business sector and things affecting more than 1 locality.

1. The central government is controlled by Representatives appointed by local legislatures and people elected by Labor unions.
2. Businesses have to abide by the rules created by the governments controlled by the workers.
3. Local governments can veto any taxes they don't like via the lower house
4. Workers can veto any labor laws they don't like via the upper house

Under this system bosses can't take advantage of their workers, and the state is fully democratic just under a socialist system vs a capitalist system.

 

Problem with these types of theories is it doesn't take into account the levels of corruption that often take place and that system would allow corrupt officials to completely dominate all aspects of its citizens lives.

 

Hard Pass.

What this really translates into is this. Consolidate all power into the hands of a very few, and the force folks to vote only for them. This is what "democratic" socialism actually looks like. This is how China works today. It's how Cuba works today. All of this hinges on government being the only power in a country, and the only option to keep you from going to the reeducation camps/gulag is to "vote" for it.

 

Our 2 party system is no better.
-Have to fight big money to get candidates for change elected in the primary
-Have to fight gerrymandering which makes the vast majority of general elections useless.
-Have to fight an unballenced senate which allows low population areas to dominate the rest of the population.

At least in this the majority (workers) would have most of the say.

 

As noted, this is how folks swirl down the toilet into the worst societies on the planet. And you're still clapping for it. I suggest that you literally don't understand the US political framework. And because you don't, it's easy to convince yourself that something else might create more opportunity for you to force your myopic beliefs on the rest of the people. This is the patent road to authoritarianism draped in a ridiculous notion that you "vote" for it.

 

Are you in favor of the European style Proportional representation? That is the best system in the world.

Edit- We are literally the only industrialized country without guaranteed access to healthcare, childcare, paid parental leave, higher education, and paid time off of work.

 

You can call that anything BUT Democratic Socialism.

 

Our two party system is terrible. It has many flaws. But it IS better than what you propose. Workers have not had ANY say in countries that have implemented anything similar to what you propose. They have more of a say in our "horrible" two-party system.

 

Whaaaaa free stuff... whaaaaa.... All it costs is your freedom.

 

Sort of. 70% of what federal government does is unconstitutional on a strict analysis of what it says. I would prefer to return to the union of states that the founders had in mind when they wrote the constitution. You can keep your government overspending and you're welcome to ours as well as far as I am concerned.

 

If you have been voting for Democrats your entire life you have never voted for change just more of the same old crap. Government cannot fix your life or make your life better and is far more likely to just crap all over you and bury what's left some where out of sight than fix what ever problem bothers you.
By the way 2 is pretty much what we had in this country prior to FDR and earlier the seventeenth amendment.

 

No it doesn't.

 

The first question would be why would we want a democratic socialist state in the first place?

 

The constitution is silent on the concept of parties. It doesn't dictate one, two, three, or a dozen parties.

The senate is not a bug. It's a feature. It is designed to give every state equal representation in the union. For population-based representation, we have the house.

Withouth the senate, the less populous states never would have agreed to the treaty, and there would be no United States of America.

 

Talk to your state representatives. Congressional districts are determined by your state government.

 

So create a system that will eventually be ran by a corrupt centralized power? .....no thanks.

 

His post is pretty bad. The founders' concept was decentralized government with a federal government to handle things that couldn't be handled well by individual states. The list is quite short. Federal government should defend the nation, deal and treat with other nations, provide a stable currency, resolve interstate disputes and, oddly, operate a postal system. Everything else goes to the states according to the 10th amendment. So says the constitution. Obviously this has been corrupted to a great degree over the decades.

 

OMG! Hell hath frozen over. For ONCE there is something you and I can agree on.

 

How do you expect legislators so give up gerrymandering?

 

Me? I don't expect much from legislators.

I was only pointing out that gerrymandering is a state problem, not a federal one.

 

Yes, it does. Free stuff requires ever rising taxes. Taxes are paid from the wages your earn. Taxed wages is time out of your life. After it reaches a certain level, taxation amounts to slavery.

“Free stuff” is not free. As Orwell wrote, “some pigs are more equal than other pigs.” People with connections will get more stuff than those who don’t. You will have no control over it. You can crow all you want about “equity” under socialism, but it’s a myth. The crap they sell you to get control. People are much better off when they can make decisions for themselves.

 

My system would prevent the central government by ever expanding its power, because the local governments have full control over the national government, nothing can get passed without agreeance from the local governments.

Just make the local governments have their own police and make the military be run by each local executive via militias that can only be called up in extremely strict circumstances.

 

They pay LESS over all than we do for basic things because while taxes are taken to pay for these rights, they are less overall then you'd pay out of pocket. You aren't paying hundreds per paycheck for healthcare, or 1600 a month for childcare for example you pay a percentage of your income which is often similar to the US yet they get way more benifits.

 

Dream on. You are on one side and probably pushing the crap they taught you in college. Maybe you will see the light some day.

You system runs on the premise that governments are run by angles. They aren’t. They are run by people who have the same impulses as the capitalists have. They are empire builders just like the capitalists. The difference is government is a monopoly. If you don’t care for what the government is doing to you, you have no options.

Don’t tell me that a “socialist democracy” can fix that. The government officials hold all the high cards, and the people have the duces and jokers.

Under the capitalist system, many suppliers compete for your business. If one company gives lousy service, you can move to another one. No votes, no wasted time waiting for an election that won’t change anything anyway.

 

Actually it costs declining life expectancy, inability to compete on a global scale and evaporating happiness compared to our peers.

We pay more for healthcare by a significant margin while receiving less effective treatment (we do excel in a few areas).

Also, it isn’t “free” — it is paid for through taxes with decreased costs due to the removal of the profit motive and coding industry.

You mentioned we lose “freedom”, you should really check on metrics that show which nations are actually the freest in the daily lives of the citizens (hint: the nation with the largest percentage of incarcerated citizens isn’t it)