“Jordan clinches Speaker nomination”

“Jordan clinches Speaker nomination in GOP’s second go at the gavel”

House Republicans nominated Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) for Speaker on Friday, the conference’s second attempt to find a candidate who can win the gavel on the House floor.”

“Jordan, currently chair of the House Judiciary Committee, earned 124 votes to win the nomination over Rep. Austin Scott (R-Ga.). Scott had mounted a last-minute bid for Speaker that was largely seen as a protest to Jordan’s candidacy.”

“A second vote Friday asking members if they would support Jordan on the House floor as the nominee came in at 152-55, far short of the 217 he needs to clinch the gavel. And some Republicans are sharply opposed to Jordan’s bid.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...er-nomination/

Does this mean the GOP is moving again further to the right? Almost certainly guarantees a shutdown, and impeachment, regardless of validity. What do you imagine the potential consequences will be of promoting an extremist to the be not only Speaker, but also third in line for the Presidency?

How do you imagine the Democrat running in a swing district currently held by a Republican feels about now?

 

I don’t know how democrats feel about this, but I know how I feel. I’ve been a swing voter all my life since I cast my first vote back in 1968 when you had to be 21 to vote. I’ve voted for both major party’s candidates and thrown in some third-party candidates for good measure when I really disliked both major party candidates. Since 2016 I have slowly moved away from the Republican Party, voting for their candidates less and less. Not completely, but definitely voting against Trump and Trump chosen candidates. How can the GOP follow a man completely devoid of a political philosophy? Since Trump’s arrival, the Republican Party has thrown traditional conservatism its values, ideals out the window onto the trash heap of history in order to follow a man with no political philosophy of his own. The 7-time party switchers had adopted the political philosophy of the party he belonged to at the time. How can a party follow a man without a political ideology, philosophy is beyond my ability to fathom?


Even so, I’m not willing to give up my swing voter status. A swing voter or as more commonly referred to, independents with no leans as both major parties disgust me. But with Trump, the possibility of Jordon becoming speaker, I have officially moved to being an independent lean democrat. How long that lean last depends on when the GOP can rid themselves of Trump and his no political philosophy influence.

 

152-55. Won’t win him the speakership. There are 5 never Jims!

 

This is going from bad to worse ...... More chaos to come.

 

Just curious, if hypothetically Trump just up & died, would you not hold a candidate's former support of Trump, and his taking up of Trump's talking points (stolen election; impeach Biden; defund the FBI; scuttle the budget agreement and shut down the government; etc.) against that Republican?

 

Trump was ideally what Washington needed. End result was what nobody needed. Washington is fully of liars and cheats, also known as career politicians. Trump was anti-establishment. Problem is he was pro his own cheating and lying establishment. Substantially worse. I honestly hoped that Obama was going to be that as he campaigned on it back in 2008, but he failed on it as well.

 

against that Republican? [/QUOTE]
Perhaps you missed this sentence in the first paragraph which you failed to quote, “Not completely, but definitely voting against Trump and Trump chosen candidates.”

As for the rest, I think the idea of a stolen election is asinine; totally against the impeachment of Biden and defunding the FBI along with adhering to the budget agreement between McCarthy and Biden. Those who think the budget was stolen, impeaching Biden, defunding the FBI and breaking the budget agreement are Trump supporters or his chosen candidates.

Now I did vote for Republican Kemp for governor over Abrams, Kemp has been a good governor and for your info, on Trump’s enemies list. So I’m not against all republicans, just Trumpers.

 

with only 124 votes, he needs a lot more than that to be speaker

 

I do not consider myself a Trumper, as much as I am a fierce nationalist and independent. And it is not so much that the Democratic social philosophy has improved, or that we enjoyed a wave of success under the blue, but rather all things Trump have turned to **** as I see it.

Be that as it may, I'm not going to clap about the 'budget agreement', which was a freeze in name only(until 2026) and still was not an actual fiscal budget. It was an agreement simply not to shut down.

I nodded along to the agreement, because of the damage of a shutdown but I'm not exactly mad or upset at a shutdown either because of the poor fiscal health of the government. If that's what it takes for a REAL, actual budget passed by the two parties then that's what it takes. But we the people, should demand a budget out of this or the next Congress.

 

ZERO Chance that Jordan has the votes...
Already enough GOPers (to defeat his bid) are against him...

 

For your information:

*1) You did NOT say, in your post, that you would not vote for "Trump SUPPORTERS." That would have been clear, and would've eliminated the need for me to ask you about your future voting habits, regarding candidates who currently carry water, for ex-President Trump. What you had said, was this:

There are many Republicans in Congress who support Trump, and his ideas, but who are not "Trump chosen candidates." So, apparently, you were using your words very loosely-- which is why I had asked for a clarification, about those following Trump's lead, but who were not actually "chosen" by him.


2) So as to not bring in a whole lot of superfluous information-- I had quoted just the part of your post, relevant to the particular focus of my question: how you expect to act, post-Trump. You'd depicted a scenario, in which Republicans would stand up to the Donald, and cast him off. I would assume that their doing so, might win them some points, with you. As, though, we have not seen this-- and I don't, any longer, expect to see it-- I'd wanted to know how you would conceive of the Republicans, other than those particularly chosen & endorsed by Trump, but who still have been following the Trump script-- if they were relieved of the burden of Trump, but not due to any change in their own behavior, or by the sudden growing of a spine.

Your first paragraph, speaking of your past voting history, and criticizing Trump, along with what you see him as responsible for doing to the Republican Party, doesn't directly apply to my question (which is why I'd omitted it).


3) I'm well aware of Gov. Kemp's going against Trump, on numerous, high profile occasions, and realize that there is no love lost, there.


4) I'd never thought, or suggested, that you were against all Republicans-- if your telling me so, here, means that you were unsure, as to whether this was clear to me.

 

So they hold the vote, Jordan loses, and then they try someone else. This position is not going to be filled quickly unless they can find a moderate who plans to retire anyway willing to strike a deal with the democrats.

 

I hope enough people feel like you to deny trump the nomination.
If he is the nominee, he will drag the country deeper into the sewer to serve himself.

 

Of course, anyone who votes for a speaker the Dems are on board with risks the fury of the fanatics who will thrown them out at the next round of primaries. The radicalism and borderline nihilism in the GOP base has made practical politics increasingly difficult.

 

35 days from the next government liquidity crisis, and not even a sliver of the budget has taken shape. Are we all still happy, that McCarthy got the ax?

 

The fanatical group seems to be pleased. They don't mind chaos and as long as T is pulling the strings..... the Reps will remain in a quagmire. Rather shameful, really.

 

That's what happens when "lil' grubby orange hands" gets involved, ETTD.

 

And yet, there are 50 some Republicans who will not vote for him as Speaker if a floor vote was to be made.

 

Trump always lies, even the small things like where his father was born. And yes, he is the establishment and always has been.

 

Is there such a person available and interested in he job??

 

I miss Trump's gas prices.
I miss Trump's inflation rate.
I miss Trump's Law and Order.
I miss Trump's lower fentanyl deaths.
I miss Trump's lack of war in Europe.
I miss Trump's lower taxes.
I miss Trump's not arming the Taliban.
I miss Trump's not running away from the Taliban.
I miss Trump's more secure border.
I miss Trump's not letting the Chinese violate our airspace.
I miss Trump's not allowing Russia to shoot down our Predator.
I miss Trump's no flash mobs.

 

Maybe we can get lucky and 10, or so, Republicans can face the fact that they are going to lose in 2024.
And vote for Hakeem Jefferies, just so we can get thing done, like fund Ukraine, Israel, and not let the Govt. shut down in a month.
Crazier thing have happened.

 

Classical maga.

 

This link probably explains this whole mess the best. Its all about math.

In summary:

• GOP has 222 members in the House with the magic number 217. Would not be a problem if the GOP was united, but they are deeply divided on ideological grounds. The Democrats also had a slim majority in the last CongressIdealogical grounds: a but kept defections down to a minimum.
• 18 Republicans represent both swing voters and Republicans and have supported Kevin McCarthy every step of the way.
• Idealogical grounds: a recent poll showed 50% of Republicans we should compromise to avert a government shutdown and 46% say Republicans to "stick with its principles." In contrast, in the 1990s and 2000s, 63% of Republicans wanted to compromise and 26% wanted Republicans to "stick with its principles.

 

Okay. But I can only vote for one congressman which at the present is David Scott which I back. Who the other 434 congressional critters are, let’s say are irrelevant as I have no say in them. I can only vote for one governor, for 2 senators and one president. In 2022 Trump chosen candidate Walker ran for the Georgia’s senate seat and I voted against him. I won’t vote for Trump in 2024, while I will continue to back David Scott, Georgia has no senate election in 2024.


I only worry about those I can vote for, those I can’t, there’s not a single thing I can do about them. Why worry about something you can't do anything about, can't help, can't make any difference? No matter how many Trump supporters are in congress, if they aren’t mine, nothing I can do about that. Neither can you outside of the one congress critter you can vote for.