“Jordan clinches Speaker nomination”

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  1. perotista

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    Okay, but I don’t miss Trump’s obnoxious, rude, uncouth persona. I don’t miss his childish antics of name calling, throwing temper tantrums like a spoiled 4-year-old spoiled brat nor his 3rd grade schoolyard bully tactics. I don’t miss his extremely unpresidential behavior which I view way below the office of the president deserves. You have a 77-year-old man with a mind of that spoiled 4-year-old brat. It’s Trump, the man, the person, the individual I dislike.


    What your telling me is that there is only one person in the whole of the Republican Party who has the policies of Trump. He’s the only one. That the Republican party is devoid of any crediable presidential candidate other than Trump. That the world revolves around one man, no one else. That the GOP can’t come up with a better candidate with the same ideals or stances on the issues except Trump. That without Trump, the Republican Party is bankrupted of viable and credible candidates.
     
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    archives Well-Known Member

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    Not so sure about that, at one time Trump being their nominee didn’t seem possible

    The GOP is controlled by the right, and the pressure they will put on those objecting to Jordan will be unbearable, especially in the right wing media. Unlike the core of fanatics who remain obstinate thru everything, the moderate Republicans will cave eventually
     
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    archives Well-Known Member

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    Trump had little to nothing to directly do with most of that, and the one real crisis he faced during his reign, the one situation demanding Presidential leadership, he blew, royally
     
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    Yep. All just a coincidence. Which thing do you think he blew?
     
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    Not that I am aware of thus my prediction the position will stay vacant for awhile.
     
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    This is the type of person who thinks if the guy next to him at the restaurant had his steak cooked perfectly, it must be because he was sitting in the restaurant at the same time as that guy.
     
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    archives Well-Known Member

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    As I said, directly, no President has direct influence on three quarters of the items you listed, and you really have to ask what crisis Trump blew?
     
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    archives Well-Known Member

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    But it would be interesting, although that would be like hitting yourself in the head with a three by four everyday, no one would take that on willingly
     
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    DEMS or REPUBS both side says Washinton is full of establishment politician who are very corrupt.

    But the fact is , time and time again, voter send these “ establishment politician” back to DC. Here are top 10 longest serving Politian.

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    Time and time again the polls show voters hate all politicians except the politician who represent their district. That is why they vote for the same guy 30 times and send him to DC for 60 years,

    President can’t clean Washinton. Only people who can clean Washington are voters.
     
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    Endeavor Well-Known Member

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    Get used to missing Trump. He will not be POTUS again.
     
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    gorfias Well-Known Member

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    I have my own opinions and would like to know yours.
    I'm angry that he fell for the Covid response hoax. Other?
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well out of the list

    trump’s gas prices
    • trump negotiated with SA to massively cut production which is why fuel prices skyrocketed once people started driving again
    trump's inflation rate
    • Many beginning indicators of the inflation seeing a huge spike is due to the spending of his administration (2+ T alone on PPP) and loose fiscal policy such as cutting interest related and QE
    trump's Law and Order
    • Almost 100 counts show how laughable this is
    trump's lower fentanyl deaths
    • Fentanyl deaths were lower but this had nothing to do with the president, we had other drug problems during his term however
    trump's lack of war in Europe
    • Also absurd. Putin had indicated Crimea was not the end goal
    trump's lower taxes
    • He set his tax cuts to only be temporary for everyone but the wealthy. We called it out when it happened. Just like now you people didn’t care
    trump's not arming the Taliban
    • Several bases were evacuated under trump and he openly negotiated with them instead of the Afghan government
    trump's not running away from the Taliban.
    • He not only didn’t run from them, he cozied up with them
    trump's more secure border
    • Is that why he had to send troops to it and station them 100 miles from the border for photo ops during Christmas?
    trump's not letting the Chinese violate our airspace
    • They were paying him and his family directly, and he did — he just didn’t “know about it”
    trump's not allowing Russia to shoot down our Predator
    • He just allowed him to threaten the lives of US troops
    trump's no flash mobs
    • This one is just an outright lie

    Not to mention him advocating for violence against people that disagreed with him, or retweeting the only good democrat is a dead one (imagine if Biden did this), or the complete destruction of political norms and political discourse. Not that any of you care about any of those.
     
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    I don’t know how a virus spread thru social contact that killed over a million Americans can be a hoax
     
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    The Tao says that the way that can be expressed is not the eternal way.
    There are a few nightmare scenarios where trump could end up as potus again.
    Especially if the dems are as paralyzed as the cons about doing the best thing for the country.
    Biden is a decent man who has done his job as potus well, especially ridding us of the malignant narcissist, but he doesn't have the stamina to go another 5 plus years on the job.
    The dems realize that but the politics of the situation demand that they keep promoting Biden, which makes it harder for another candidate to come forward.
    It might be an interesting convention season if both parties dump their leaders (trump and Biden) and nominate better people than the primary winners.
     
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    A president has minimal influence on gas prices or the inflation rate which is an international phenomenon the US is wearing comparatively well.

    Trump's been indicted on 91 counts. I think, for some people "law and order" just means "keeping people I don't like in their place"?

    Yea because drug epidemics never expand exponentially regardless of who is in power. That's never happened.

    Yea, because Trump would have been "man enough" to stop an actual evil genius imperialist threat-force who's been planning an expansionist takeover of his neighbors' lands for decades. He could have just handed Vladimir one of his collector cards with him dressed as Superman and said "Here Buddy quit now 'cuz this is wot yer dealing with" :roflol:

    For who?

    It was the Trump administration that initially brokered the Afghanistan withdrawal agreement.

    It was the Trump administration that initially brokered the Afghanistan withdrawal agreement.

    Did Mexico send the check yet?

    That actually happened but do you think Biden had a personal hand in that or that the exact same thing wouldn't have happened under Trump? Well maybe, if he pulled out his Superman Cape collector card.

    He dids it with his Laser-vision.

    I should watch "Outer Limits" more, I guess?
     
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    Biden did an amazing job. Americans on the left forgot that the day he took office, over 4k Americans were dying everyday, Biden administration vaccinated over 100 million Americans in 100 days, worked with world community to vaccinate rest of the world . unfortunately, before world could recover from COVID-19 the MF Putin started a war and destabilize the world. Biden re-united the fractured NATO , NATO is much stronger today then the day Biden took office.

    I am liberal but I really don’t understand what left wants from Biden? Step down and have someone like Gavin Newsom run in his place? May be left forgot democracy doesn’t work that way. If Biden says he wouldn’t run, 15 Democrats will jump in ; From AOC to Gavin to Kamala to Andrew Young. By the time Nov 2024 comes, AOC’s wing of the party will sit at home because they are mad, kamala’s supporter will sit at home because Gavin is a “another white man running for WH”, and hand over the WH to Trump.
     
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    Of course. I had not been speaking though, about only the 2024 election. Had you been?
     
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    Jordan does not have the votes

    "Jordan faces grim prospects in speaker’s fight after whirlwind week for House GOP"

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/14/politics/jim-jordan-house-speaker-race/index.html

    "Jordan then called a second vote Friday afternoon asking members if they would support him on the floor. That vote, which was cast by secret ballot, was 152 to 55, laying bare the major challenge Jordan faces in his bid for the gavel."
     
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    On the plus side the only benefit politics plays to society is entertainment. At least it is entertaining.
     
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    The budgetary problem was not a McCarthy thing. We haven't had a budget since 2000! I was 8! This is an institutional failure of the government, and it will take the institutional will to fix the problem.
     
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    This is untrue. The government funding bills, taken together, are the budget. You must be trying to make some distinction, which you are not explaining. But our government has absolutely not been running on "continuing resolutions," alone, for the last 23 years. Please make your meaning clearer.

    Secondly, explain what, if anything, it has to do with the idea of our government having the money to pay its ongoing bills and, if it doesn't, then its need to shut down.

    BTW, whenever we have had shutdowns, the amount of economic activity that is lost, far exceeds any government "savings."
     
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    Nancy Pelosi is at the capitol trying to get her speakership back. We've already decided she'll never be in that position again.
     
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    Even more classical MAGA, they don't adhere to reality. Fentanyl deaths over the years.

    The fact Fentanyl deaths grew even more under Trump.

    That year, 3,105 people died from a synthetic opioid overdose. In 2022, fentanyl was responsible for 23 times more deaths.
    Since 2016, more people have died from fentanyl overdoses than prescription opioids.
    Opioid overdose deaths, 1999–2022
    https://usafacts.org/articles/are-fentanyl-overdose-deaths-rising-in-the-us/
     
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    I'm careful to call the response the hoax. Covid was a real bug. But the response? Telling people you know/should know need to get outside to exercise and lose weight to instead stay indoors and drink? That was a hoax.
     
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    While nearly everything on your list is completely bull ****, Trump was the one who surrendered to the Taliban, dude.
     
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