Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

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  1. GlobalCitizen

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    It's called a self fulfilling prophecy. I've literally been screaming out my car on campuses, on this forum, etc., focused almost exclusively on Ukraine, saying, If you continue to kill Russians, there will be consequences. Now Biden has killed tens of thousands of them using our proxies. And Russia has had enough, and they are going to kill Americans through their proxies.

    This is what I mean by inapplicable narratives. Everyone wants to explain why this is happening. Wheras I'm like, "What's changed in the last couple of years?" "Oh, you killed all those Russians." Well, it's not a stretch to say that what's going on here in the ME is a response to that significant fact.
     
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    Just tragic:
     
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    Rashida Tlaib's district.
     
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    I'm simply trying to understand your position, because many who support Ukraine say that Russia is oppressing Ukrainians. Now they say Israel is oppressing Palestinians, and when Israeli babies are butchered, we should tell them to sit there and shut up, and encourage the attackers.

    So I'm wondering when they are going to apply that same philosophy to the oppressor Russians. So I should cheer raids into Russia with the sole purpose of sadistic violence? If someone at my vacation resort guns down a couple Russian families, in order to be good citizens of the world, the rest of us should cheer the killers?

    I'm just trying to follow the logic. Or has Russia not reached Israel level oppressor status yet? I guess I'll just have to rely on the oppressor status designators to let me know when Russia reaches authorized atrocity level. And maybe they can also send me a list of countries whose citizens are subject to atrocities. God forbid, I miss a situation in which I should be cheering murderers...
     
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    The only thing I have to ask myself is if Russia tried to put the equivalent missile systems in Cuba, would I support my President's decision to go to war to prevent it?

    Unequivocally, yes.

    So I'm supposed to consider the average Russian as subhuman, and thus be incapable of arriving at the same conclusion for his country?

    Yes, that's right, 2 major wars, and both locations boil down to: the missiles gotta go.
     
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    Israel is the one under siege. Has been for years. Have you not seen the countless videos of Hamas and Hezbollah rockets flying into Israel? Is it all AI generated?
     
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    The best way too look at Hamas is like the Confederate government of the US Civil War. It will be completely disarmed of its ability to make war. Then the Palestinians will be governed by some new framework. Some Palestinians may choose to slowly arm up again over the years. Hopefully not this time...
     
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    Here you go:
     
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    Stop listening to Israeli propaganda. It’s twice as virulent and is more blatant in its lies since now they have a ton of news outlets lying for them.

    It’s well known that the babies beheaded thing was an Israeli lie. It’s also well known that the charred burnt baby was a lie.

    Now I wouldn’t be surprised if a baby did die considering the nature of the conflict.

    Put the shoe on the other foot.

    When Palestinian babies are butchered by Israelis . . .

    These are completely fictional stories. Have you even bothered to look at the pictures of the cities I have mentioned? Do you care enough about the truth not to hide from it?
    Russia is an oppressor.
     
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    Use the Ocean, Save IDF lives, flood the tunnels!
     
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    I've watched enough of Hamas' own footage to know they very likely committed those atrocities, and any other we can think of.

    Ok, so the first shoe has dropped: Russia has been designated an oppressor. Is it OK for the rest of the world to attack their citizens at vacation spots, travel hubs, etc., or has Russia not yet reached Israeli oppressor status. I really need to know which sadism I should start virtue signaling for, and which to condemn.
     
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    Iron Dome has a downside in that it has lulled people into a false sense of Israeli security.

    Everyone can see the thousands of Hamas and Hezbollah rockets fired at Israel. But no dead Israelis. They see the Israeli bombs, and see many dead Palestinians. But what they don't seem to understand is that their entire judgment on who is morally right in this situation, and who is under siege, is based on the functioning of a single piece of technology.

    If one looks at the volume of these rockets being fired, and one recognizes Israel is the size of New Jersey, it is easy to see that without Iron Dome, the maintenance of the Israeli state would be impossible.

    Each Tamir interceptor missile costs $50,000. Each terrorist rocket on average costs what, $500? And they have tens of thousands, and that number continues to accelerate over the years. And that's what we see now. I guarantee that more advanced missiles, even ballistic, and advanced drones are already in place to be used if and when Iron Dome is sufficiently degraded. Israel is under siege, and it's unsustainable.

    The cynical part of me, which is significant, says yo Bibi, show the world the situation Israel is in. Turn Iron Dome off for a day.
     
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    One of the really cool things about Iron Dome is that it can be networked to include other systems is a "plug and play" architecture. This means that it can be configured to include CROWS mounted guns like 50 cal, or similar. It can be configured to add Vulcan/CEWS systems and more for close-in defense. These add-ons have advantages and disadvantages. Its up to the local Commander to tailor his own defenses.
     
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    This has not happened.
     
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    If Hamas is successful, it will. Not just by Hamas. Some of my friends at Ivy League schools, in the media, and politicians are encouraging a world in which livestreaming carnage is an acceptable and viable tactic against "oppressors". That makes development of narratives that label a country as oppressor, of prime importance to its enemies.

    I say be careful what you cheer and encourage. I have a feeling that the Iranian government, and other extremist enemies of Israel like where the narrative on Israel is going, and they don't want to poison that...right now. But the time is coming when they unleash the same tactics on Americans. You can be assured that they are already in place, due to your idiocy on the border, and delusional belief that white supremacy is one of our major threats.
     
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    The world is turning against Israel.
     
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    Will any of the money wind up with Hamas:
     
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    Seemingly. But the terrorists' depravity will be their undoing. There will come a point that it is obvious Hamas is going to be completely disarmed. A Hamas, and Iranian, win is for the world to force a ceasefire before that disarmament, both legitimizing their barbarism and allowing them to remain armed to duplicate it. Once Israel's enemies realize that they aren't going to win in this way, I fully expect their proxies around the world to lash out against Westerners. Their bloodlust will seal support for Israel.
     
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    That's why the Iranians keep threatening, you are running out of time, and other similar comments. Does anyone honestly believe they care about the Palestinians? Does this threatening tone comport with compassion? No. So why do they keep referencing time? Imo, it's because they know they are running out of time for them, to force a ceasefire, and for their desires on Israel, as the complete disarmament of Hamas would be a major blow to them.
     
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    Why would Palestinians ever accept the illegal Jewish occupation of their land?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

    "United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22, 1967, in the aftermath of the Six-Day War.

    "It was adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter.[1] The resolution was sponsored by British ambassador Lord Caradon and was one of five drafts under consideration.[2]

    "The preamble refers to the 'inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East in which every State in the area can live in security'.[3]"
     
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    irony

     
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    Copt is a religion. Just like Jewish ppl are a religion and not descended from biblical Jews
     
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    Coptic Christianity is a religion. Yes, the Jews are descended from the biblical ISRAELITES. The Jewish are not
     
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    Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ averages in the world. Intelligence pays off on the battlefield. The side with the higher IQ averages develops better weapons, and has better military strategies and tactics. That is why the Israelis have prevailed over the entire Arab world, and especially the Palestinians.
     

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