"Wife wasn't attracted to me after I came out as Trans"

I think both Gabbi Tuft and Jenner fit into the "older man with obsession with the female sex" category. That they were both former athletes is likely not a coincidence either, I suspect. Maybe something to do with focus on body image plays some role as well.

 

The first thing you do is assign a transgender the ‘mentally ill’ label just because he used to be a body builder and now chooses to live as a women. This human being identifies as a female but according to you no manly body builder could be transgender — so they must be mentally ill. According to you, a man wanting to live as a women MUST BE MENTALLY ILL. That in itself smacks of misogyny because in your eyes no man would want to live as a woman so therefore must be mentally ill.

Now you continue with your arm-chair psychology and diagnose this person with some ‘type of body dysmorphia’ because you just can’t accept the concept of transgender. People who aren’t transphobic, intolerant, and ignorant of the subject look at this person and accept their personal choices rather than label them with mental illness or body dysmorphia.

That’s your opinion and you are basing you narrative on your own personal beliefs and feelings and not on any objective reality.

Where on earth did you get this ********* from? There are no such four categories except in your own mind. What you suspect is irrelevant. How many transgender people do you know and have actually spoken to regarding why they are transgender. I’d say zero judging by the above stereotypical stupidity. The above is absolute garbage. There are also transgender men — where do ninety percent of these people fit in to your opinion?

Do you even know what the definition of transgender is? The accepted definition of transgender is “someone whose GENDER IDENTITY differs from that typically associated with the sex they were assigned at birth”.

Who are you? What’s your identity? I will tell you who you are, it’s whoever you believe yourself to be. Why don’t you write a post about who you think you are and I will tell you that you are ‘foolish and ridiculous’ based on your perceived identity. And then I shall behave like you and call you mentally ill for thinking the way you do and judge you without knowing you and state you obviously suffer from some obsessive/compulsive disorder where you can’t stop yourself from starting posts on a political forum to basically insult people for making their own choices, and for choosing what to do with their bodies. Let’s throw a bit of narcissistic disorder into the diagnosis pot as well due to the obvious way you believe that your made up knowledge is superior and unquestionably right. This is how you are treating the person who chose to transition.

Why did you even start this thread? It certainly wasn’t to actually have any kind of a discussion.

Who are YOU to define transgender? What gives you the right to label people you don’t even know as mentally ill?

Transgender people live with stigmatization, prejudice on a daily basis. I have found that people who engage in stereotyping and write false and harmful comments about transgender people are coming from a place of fear and uninformed attitudes. It’s really quite sad.

 

I think you're putting a bunch of words into my mouth.

First of all, it depends what exactly being "transgender" means.

I also didn't precisely say that he was "mentally ill" but said this was a mental illness. There is a subtle distinction.

The real crux of the issue is wrapped up in exactly what we mean by "identifying as a female", as well as why exactly he has to do those things.

As for that last part, I did not say that. Other than to say that if he were bisexual (equally attracted to males) I do not believe he would have had a reason to change his gender. Since it is my belief his gender transition was motivated by an attraction to the female sex. If he were equally sexually attracted to his own male body, there would not be so much of such a strong driving force to change it.

But of course a progressive like you has a different theory (ideological belief) about why these people want to change gender.

 

Are you quite finished editing your post repeatedly?

Could you at least provide some links that support your opinions.

Having a ‘mental illness’ means being ‘mentally ill’. Stop using weasel words. You are defining transgender in your own terms and ignoring the actual definition because it doesn’t fit in with your own worldview. What you think and say is totally irrelevant because there is no discussion with a person who makes up his own definitions which are harmful, prejudicial, ignorant, and transphobic to say the least. Is your mother Anita Bryant?

 

Are you going to dispute that he made a mistake at some point in his life? Either taking steroids and becoming so big manly and muscular, or transitioning into a woman.
Do people just become "transgender" at some point in their life?

And if he later wants to transition back into a man, I bet you still won't admit a mistake was made at any point.

 

A belief that leads to actions can constitute something that is a mental illness. I am emphasizing that it is this particular belief and decision that he is making that is a mental illness, not himself or the rest of his thinking or brain processes. When we talk about mental illness being infectious, that obviously involves a belief and thought process, not a person themselves.

To use an analogy, it is kind of like people who get involved and sucked into cults. They are not really "mentally ill" themselves, but what is going on is a mental illness and is resulting in unhealthy actions.
Another example is intense situational grief (such as loss of a child) that leads to suicide. No one would argue that person is "mentally ill" themselves, but the state of mind they are stuck in is a mental illness.

 

Being transgender is not mental illness and does not result from obsessive thinking. Stop trying to weasel out of what you have said. You started a thread to immediately designate a trans-female as mentally ill and must be suffering from some kind of body dysmorphia. You are making up and negating commonly held definitions of transgender. You are referring to transgender people as mentally ill, as foolish and laughable, and making up four categories of transgender women related to your own worldview that is based on nothing but your own opinions. Your opinion are irrelevant because that’s all they are — opinion. Provide some links that directly support what you are saying.

The following is a commonly held definition of ‘transphobia’. The definition is much more that ‘phobia’, it includes hatred, dismissal, and disgust. It describes any attitude, behaviour, or feeling that stigmatizes trans people, denies their identities, and treats them as unequal or less than human. I know you can’t see it in your own behaviour but most of your comments serve to stigmatize and deny gender identity. It’s not difficult to see your agenda.

 

So if you claim that going transgender was not an unhealthy mistake, then you must believe that this person's previous choice to take steroids and become a big muscular manly man was a mistake, yes?

 

Isn't your opinion opinion as well? What makes your worldview more valid than the one I outlined?

Maybe the theory I explained just sounds much less flattering and is more embarrassing.

I am attempting to point out how absurd it can be, yes.

Should we avoid the truth if it might stigmatize people?

So better to hold onto another truth, even though it might possibly be false?
(or oversimplified to the point of being effectively wrong)

Can you just admit that this particular person was not "a woman on the inside" and that it's not that simple?

 

You really should get out more.

 

I can't tell if you agree and are applauding his opinion and perspective on this, or whether you are clapping because you find his views to be so ridiculously absurd and amusing, giving you entertainment.

 

Well, it is very interesting. This person first tried to transform their body into a very manly body. Nobody would dispute that. Just look at the pictures.
It's not even easy to get a body like he had. Many men try and struggle to get a body that huge and muscular but are just unable to get anywhere close to that.

Then, it seems, at some point in his life (probably a midlife crisis) he seems to have wanted to have become a woman.

 

I always laugh when they say "accept us as zey are".

My response is: "Why? You clearly can't."

 

My gender/biological sex is female. Learn to read. If you believe my views are ridiculously absurd and amusing why don’t you explain why instead of posting unnecessary comments.

 

I was actually laughing at your statement.

I frequently work out at one of the busiest and most recognized gyms in the world. It has a large contingent of bodybuilders with many being circuit pros. Quite a few of them are gay. How do I know this? Because they are there with their partners almost everyday and I've been personally introduced to quite a few over the many years I've been a member There's one or two people at the gym whom I'm pretty sure are transgender too but I've never bothered to ask because it's none of my business.

What I can say is that nobody cares one way or another. People just let others get on with doing whatever it is they are there to do.

What I found hilarious was your armchair psychology and putting people and their experiences into neat little boxes, based on how you perceive they should be and somehow claiming that as an avowed truth.

I don't go around claiming to know the motivation or intent of TG people because I don't personally know any but I'd much rather listen to their stories and the professional opinions of people who have dedicated their lives to their care and assistance than those who obsessively extrapolate and pontificate on subjects in which they, patently obviously, have absolutely zero real-world experience.

 

The former, not the latter.

 

I'm sorry to hear this, life is full of ups and downs, time has healing qualities.

 

I find the quote in your signature relevant to this topic:

 

He probably realized late that he is gay. I feel sorry for his wife.

 

cause he wanted to stay in the closet, most likely

 

That's ridiculous. If you secretly want to be a woman, you don't go out of your way to change and build up your body to be huge and muscular. That's a body transformation in the totally opposite gender direction.

 

He's not gay. He is still very attracted to females.

Like the majority of "trans women".
(Some time back someone posted a link to a study that showed that 60% of transgender women were attracted to women)

Of course these transgender women consider themselves "lesbians" now, since they insist they are women.

 

even if that if from personal experience, not everyone's experience is the same

many go to great lengths to hide it and stay in the closet

remember how well Bush Jr's preacher hid it

 

Over-attracted to women, so that he wants to be female himself?

We'll never understand what's going on in such people's minds.
Psychologists seem to have given up for a long time.