Biden plans to ask Congress for funding to develop new COVID vaccine, may require shot for all

Yes and government has no business funding it or mandating it. Covid is now endemic like all the other corona viruses. We need to treat it that way.

 

The first vaccine was a huge failure. Why would we even bother with a second one?

 

"Require"

 

Because there is no significant risk taken .. nor any direct cause and effect linkage on the basis of the individual. So this is not only "Utilitarianism" .. but fallacious utilitarianism.

but if you had a good Utilitarian argument - you would also then be arguing that the corporation should not be financially responsible for Fat People .. who have a way higher risk of harm from Covid .. far exceeding any suggested difference between a vaxed and unvaxed healthy person .. assuming there was a sig difference . but there isn't .. which is where the fallacy comes in.

Either way -- you are arguing that Fat People should not be covered .. presenting a higher risk of cost to the system .. an argument I reject on the basis of "utilitarianism" -- there is no certainty that this Fat Person will actually cost you more .. on an individual basis .. so this persons rights are being violated -- violation of individual liberty. You are arguing that there is a higher overall chance for risk of harm .. law based on what will increase happiness/ reduce harm for the Collective .. which ignores the rights of the individual .. .there-by bypassing the safeguards put in place to protect essential liberty .. which is why Utilitarianism is an anathema to the founding principle.

So think about that next time you take the risk of getting fat by eating that piece of Cake .. The company gonna be issuing sugar monitors .. folks need to test themselves on a regular basis .. as why should the company be financially responsible for the excess risk that you took ? Did you drive to work rather than public transport ? -- higher risk.. why should the company finance such behavoir .. do you like to sky-dive ? not if you want to keep this job .. risky personal habits not accepted.

Now why .. should we not allow corporations.. to control the lives of their employee's .. including violation of "my body my choice" on a whim .. or as in the example you are using .. based on a falsehood .. a risk of harm that doesn't exist .. as opposed to the real, quantifiable and significant risk posed by Fat Folks.

 

"Because there is no significant risk taken .. nor any direct cause and effect linkage on the basis of the individual. So this is not only "Utilitarianism" .. but fallacious utilitarianism."

I disagree, there is risk to the one that may have to pay the time off, the corp can choose to only offer that deal to the vaccinated

if the unvaccinated want to take the risk, that is all on them

this was a incentive they offered employees to get vaccinated, you just think the unvaccinated should get the incentive too?

 

Thread title misleading. Recommended everybody get it does not = may require shots for all.

Why should I care about a recommended shot that I can choose to get or not get just like the flu shot?

 

Because there is no hard evidence of the lab leak and definite genetic evidence it was not a lab leak
https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abn2222
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11673-023-10303-1
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/tbed.14732
https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abn2222

 

Have they said “keep smoking and no medical care”?

 

Your missing the point - "Even if there was some significant risk differential" - your argument "Harm reduction" argument is toast.. sans you being OK with corporations not covering Fat people due to increased risk of harm.. as that is what you are arguing for .. Fat and a host of other risk factors the company could come up with .. they would not have to cover barley anyone and discriminate on the basis of almost anything --- we all have risk of harm factors .. on the basis of lifestyle choices ..and hey .. you could include genetic predisposition into the mix.

This quite the Orwellian Big Brother Nightmare you have landed upon.

 

nope, it would be like the corp offering an incentive to be healthier and someone whining that the people that refused to do that should also get the same incentive

where I work they give you $$$ a year off insurance if you don't smoke or work to quit

 

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Why do you say that?

 

He can recommend I take it all he wants but what he can do, is go pound sand.

I didn't take the first one the second one the third one the fourth one the fifth one and I won't be taking this one

 

Given the inevitable mutation of viruses this is basic common sense. It's also CYA for anything down the line.

What do you think happens if Putin takes over Ukraine with this totally illegal invasion? You think it won't affect us?

 

@Joe knows I love how your own source now admits that the "may require" part was something they just pulled out of their ass and made up and Biden never said it. But kudos on Fox for admitting that they lied.

 

Well, I do wish you would put more critical thought into this, but that is your choice. Luckily, Fox was lying about the "may require" part, though.

 

They did the same thing with saying that Biden would somehow limit people to two beers a week. It was just a recommendation, and it didn't even come from Biden. Thankfully, Fox has now admitted they just made that bullshit up and Biden never said it.

"Editor's note: The headline of this story originally said Biden may "require" everyone take the vaccination, but in his remarks he said "recommend." We have adjusted the headline to reflect this."

 

Interesting. I used to work for a "tobacco free" company that took things to the point that they actually drug tested for tobacco use. You'd be fired if you failed two sequential tests for tobacco use, no different than if you had tested positive for pot or cocaine in the same way. I didn't even know that was legal, honestly. It was also a sugar-free workplace, but that just meant no simple carbohydrates were used in the cafeteria and no sugary snacks were available in vending machines. Turns out this was all related to their insurance -- which was admittedly amazing. The place overall was a huge rightwing cult, though.

 

I can't imagine working for a cult.

 

Did Edward Jenner observe that milk maids never developed small pox or developed mild cases of small pox?

The CDC literally changed the definition of vaccine because this thing was such a total failure.

 

Currently:
Vaccine: Listen [MP3] A suspension of live (usually attenuated) or inactivated microorganisms (e.g., bacteria or viruses), fractions of the agent, or genetic material of the administered to induce immunity and prevent infectious diseases and their sequelae. Some vaccines contain highly defined antigens (e.g., the polysaccharide of Haemophilus influenzae type b or the surface antigen of hepatitis B); others have antigens that are complex or incompletely defined (e.g. Bordetella pertussis antigens or live attenuated viruses).

COVID vaccines, aren't.

 

I admittedly sold my soul at the time. It was nearly impossible to work for more than minimum wage in that town without doing so. But I still ended up searching for other jobs, and they fired me when they found out.

 

Even democrats were starting to wonder why they were getting two shots and four boosters and still getting COVID. It was a nearly a watershed moment, the first time liberals were questioning the "protection" government provided. Then the CDC changed the definition, and they were all like "okay, that makes sense".

I actually created a thread about this a couple years ago.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...changed-the-definition-of-vaccination.596922/

CDC Definition of Vaccine Before COVID: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.
CDC Definition of Vaccine After COVID: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.

 

I just read the OP. Did Biden admit the vaccine doesn't work and that we need one that does?

 

Put it this way, we saw where the would be dictator attempted to force private employers with 100 or more employees to force their employees to take the vaccine or test them all once a week. Of course they knew that no employer was going to eat the cost of weekly testing, thus forcing them to give their employees an ultimatum... Take the shot or lose your job.

Fortunately the court told little Hitler to go sit down.

So it's not really a far stretch to think that this administration would attempt to force everyone. And we do know that if they did that 90% of Democrats would fully support that.

 

Dude, the amount of disinformation and fear mongering made Americans into total idiots during the height of COVID. Democrats bought into it worst of all.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/

41% of Democrats believe that half of those who got COVID wound up hospitalized.