Is Trump a Fascist?

Oh I got your point...to define the word out of existence, but not anyone can be called a fascist. You didn't answer my question. Is there a better word to define the person in #216?

 

The wit of the right never surprises me.

 

It's the wit of the left. Surprise!

THINK PROGRESS, The Surprisingly Strong Progressive Case For Donald Trump, By JUDD LEGUM, JUL 25, 2015, 12:57 PM.
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/t...ogressive-case-for-donald-trump-ea08798d46af/

 

"No one really explains why Trump is less qualified to be president than Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, or Carly Fiorina. Nor is it clear why extremist rhetoric should be viewed as more disqualifying than extremist policies. Is it really better to have a president with more radical ideas, expressed politely?" Nice! Fun reading back when they were still pretending Trump made racist remarks about Mexicans selectively quoting a speech in which he said that some are very fine people but we can't tell who is who if they come in illegally.

 

Straight from the horse mouth -- again:


Liberal activist Michael Moore predicts Trump will win re-election
Austin American-Statesman
https://www.statesman.com › videos › embed




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Michael Moore tells Fast Company he thinks President Donald Trump will win re-election unless a new system is adopted. Elizabeth Keatinge (@elizkeatinge) ...
Austin American-Statesman · Sep 20, 2022
https://www.statesman.com/videos/embed/105057670/

Moore's political predictions have become increasingly credible over the years. He is tuned into the American electorate.

 

I guess we will be finding out soon enough.

 

The orange sociopath's rhetoric has devolved since 2015, see #215, and you two see no problem with that?

 

Not really, no. I did look up the immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country story you reference. I think he was correctly pointing out that when someone enters this country illegally, we can't check them for disease, hence we're hearing of diseases we thought beaten in the US reappearing.
It's a crisis and he's being very hyperbolic pointing it out.
Example of what may be worrying him: the return of Bubonic plague.

 

There is little evidence that Trump has evolved since 2015. He has always been progressive and rather authoritarian liberal. Very similar to most "back the blue" "Republicans" nd "Democrats". DJT's popularity and base of political support expands with the irrational persecution and rhetoric of his enemies.

 

This statement from a guy, who initially tried to ignore and minimize Covid, is not concerned about public health despite your rationalization. It is giving the green light to racists.

The southwest has a history of bubonic plague infections from mouse fleas.

Wow, both of you are really reaching. Trump a progressive? Is that why the hard right loves him or are they just stupid? As Trump said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" And members of Cult 45 are down with his fascist rhetoric.....wipe out the vermin.



The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. H. L. Mencken

 

Covid should have been ignored. We have never before done the bull **** we did over that as, well, I think they needed it to steal the 2020 election. As it is, people were freaking out and Trump tried to chill us out some. That was the right thing to do.

 

Always trust the "scientists".

“Shortly after the World Health Organization declared Covid-19 a global pandemic on March 11, 2020, markets collapsed and economies around the world plunged into recession.”

“One year later, things couldn’t be more different: ***a record 493 new billionaires*** joined the list this year, propelled by a red-hot stock market and unprecedented economic stimulus. Among those newcomers are at least 40 new entrants who draw their fortunes from companies involved in fighting Covid-19. Some, such as Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel and BioNTech cofounder Uğur Şahin, have become household names thanks to the vaccines they helped develop. Others got rich making everything from personal protective equipment and diagnostic tests to antibody treatments and software that helps authorities schedule vaccination campaigns, which will be essential in reopening economies and returning to normal life.”
FORBES, Meet The 40 New Billionaires Who Got Rich Fighting Covid-19, By Giacomo Tognini, Forbes Staff, BILLIONAIRES 2021, Apr 6, 2021. (emphasis mine)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacom...o-got-rich-fighting-covid-19/?sh=2192c24d17e5

 

He and many of his supporters strike me as authoritarian. When I hear him and his followers talk of running the RINO’s out of the party and to rooting out the radical left I hear authoritarianism as opposed to democratic values. Sadly I see much authoritarianism of the left as well, which is why I support neither.

 

The "Back the Blue" thing and political purges are, IMO, reflexive uniformed authoritarianism. It is also a bipartisan thing.

Awareness is dawning -- slowly.

"The Face Is the Final Frontier of Privacy
Time|7 days ago"
"Step up to the camera." an airport gate agent commanded, pointing me to move my body closer to a kiosk set up to scan the faces of passengers boarding the aircraft. I hesitated. The flight ...
https://time.com/collection/time100-voices/6338338/joy-buolamwini-ai-face-privacy/

 

Covid should have been ignored? A virulent unknown virus that killed. A virus we had no initial defense against and would eventually kill over a million Americans, should have been ignored? Your judgement is suspect and belief in the Big Lie confirms that. A paid up member of Cult 45.

Citing one issue that he disagreed with other Republicans running back in 2015 does not make Trump progressive because there were plenty of Republicans that agreed with him on that issue despite what Trump said.

You are dodging the issue of Trump's increasingly authoritarian rhetoric and the right not disagreeing. That is un-American.

 

Holy moly. More below in response to Edna.

And I just found this today on Facebook: no nasty fast checks on it...

1st Time I heard of Covid? It was a news story about Covid ravaging Italy. Median age of death: 80. Where I'm from, median age is 78.5. What was the deal? Later MSNBC would do a story on the new center of Covid DEATH!!!!! The story's cover girl died. She was 95. A 95 year old woman dying from a bug is NOT a news story.

And people were freaking. Remember the nonsensical run on toilet paper?

Now Bill Gates, one of the most powerful people on Earth, admits they were exaggerating the danger Covid presented, particularly to the young and healthy. Whodathunk?

 

I cited Think Progress and Think Progress cited several key disagreements between DJT and the RP and "conservatives".

Read my post again. I acknowledged DJTs authoritarian rhetoric. I dd point out that "progressives" are often very authoritarian. Ditto "conservatives", "Republicans" and "Democrats" -- and, of course, Fascists.

 

Over a million US citizens died, ICUs were full and over flowing, people were getting lung transplants and people continue to suffer long hall Covid and you say Covid should have been ignored, along with your belief in the Big Lie tells me your grip on reality is tenuous.

You said Trump was a progressive and authoritarian liberal, both wrong, but where did you acknowledge or even disagree with his authoritarian rhetoric? Authoritarianism is a bad thing right? Its un-American right?

 

You don't have to ignore a bug to not engage in the destructive hysteria in which we engaged.


For the sake of argument, lets pretend Covid was all that. What they told us to do was the opposite of what should have been done. You needed to get out of the house, exercise, lose weight. Instead they arrested people outside the home, chased them away from beaches but kept the liquor stores open.

Doctors were threatened with the loss of their license if they treated patients. I have breathing issues. They give me a steroid. I had Covid and barely noticed. But if there are effective treatments? No need for operation warp speed and none of the billions they made forcing healthy young people to take a clot shot more likely to kill them than help.

US Death rates have been going up about 9% a year for over a decade, well before Covid. You site a number of stats but they all may mean nothing. I'm not going to trust the people that did the above to us to tell us why those numbers are what they are, particularly after, again, Bill Gates admitted they were inflating the numbers.

I personally know only 1 person that died from Covid. My buddy's mom. She was 86 and kept an oxygen tank with her at all times due to COPD. You do not wreak the havoc we endured prioritizing the life of an 86 year old woman over our school children and working adults. But that is what they did.

 

This thread might be more useful labeled "who is more fascist, Trump or Biden."

I just read Biden is, regardless of USSC rulings, transferring wealth from poor laborers to elite college educated:

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/06/student-loan-debt-forgiveness-biden

 

Scroll back and you will find this:

"There is little evidence that Trump has evolved since 2015. He has always been progressive and rather authoritarian liberal. Very similar to most "back the blue" "Republicans" nd "Democrats". DJT's popularity and base of political support expands with the irrational persecution and rhetoric of his enemies." Ddy

Authoritarianism is very anti-American. A flaw that Trump shares with the corrupt bipartisan ruling political class that opposes him.

 

Okay, you have actively dodged whether Trump's rhetoric is fascist to make the point that Covid was BS and you don't care that millions suffered through it and over a million died. The epidemiologists should have been ignored because science is wrong and partisanship is right.

Then to illustrate Biden's "fascism" he is transferring wealth from poor laborers (who pay no taxes) to elite college educated (who are in debt). Most countries in Europe have free colleges. Are they all being "fascist" or are they making good investments in their future?

I did "scroll back", nowhere did you acknowledge whether Trump's current rhetoric was authoritarian or otherwise. Calling him a progressive and rather authoritarian liberal is absurd.
It seems both of you are paid up members of Cult 45.

 

Robert "Third" Reich? Seriously??

 

Well, there's actually truth to their socialism.