Whoops! The Economy is GREAT and getting better!

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    The free world is pretty much alive and well. You really need to get out of that bubble you live in John.

    Let's see, we have Taiwan, most countries in South America from Brazil to Argentina to Columbia to Peru to Chile, a majority of Central American countries, Mexico, the Phillippines, Indonesia, Spouth Korea, Japan, Canada, the US, and most of Western Europe, and so forth. None of these countries I named are either Marxist or Leninist, are they?
     
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    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
  3. Alwayssa

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    We have medical protocols with the flu. We deal with the flu every ****ing year. RSV do have some medical protocols, but this is a respiratory disease for the elderly and young people with pre-existing conditions. And for COVID-19, we have vaccines, medical protocols, and medicine which a person can take a prescription medicine at home unless the person has certain medical conditions that require hospitalization. And yes, it is acting much like the flu nowadays where some people have mild symptoms and some with more severe symptoms. This points to a lesser death rate from the disease. All we need to do with all three of these is get rid of the medical misinformation that is perpetuated on the internet and encouraged by people like Vivek Ramaswamy, RFK jr, and others.

    Thus, it is a concern medically, but it is not in the same situation as when Covid first appeared., That is why we have the CDC, AMA, and other groups and agencies, but we need to eliminate the medical misinformation that is out there, mostly perpetuated by the far right.
     
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    So, you are predicting an "October Surprise" by Biden if "things don't go his way?" Like what? We invade Honduras or something like that?

    BTW, age is just a number and when it comes to confusion, shall we also talk about Trump who is just three years younger than Biden BTW? Or will you just ignore that and use the approach of different strokes for different folks argument?
     
  5. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The average wage earner has little to nothing in the market. How does this help them?
     
  6. Noone

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    I'm afraid you do see, why else would you delete the interesting part of my reply:

    "Two significant examples of what happens,economically, when we have a Republican president would be the "Great Depression" and the "Great Recession".

    Why would you leave that out? BECAUSE it's TRUE! 8) Factually, Republicans are long on bluster but short on know how and too damn obligated to the wealthy few.
     
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    Nothing here changes the fact you argue a post hoc fallacy, toots -- correlation does not prove causation.
     
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    No, I guess not. But, nearly a hundred years of experience DOES. Republicans are too self interested and sold out to be able to govern. Toots!
     
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    How is it you do not understand correlation -never- proves causation?
     
  10. Noone

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    You're kind of a one trick pony; aren't you ... toots.

    You're so Johnny on the spot you missed my edit.

    "Republicans are too self interested and sold out to be able to govern."
     
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    Nothing here addresses the question, Toots:
    How is it you do not understand correlation -never- proves causation?
    Well?
     
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    Now there you ****ed up. "NEVER"? Realy? Certainly you know that absolutes are almost always untrue.

    But did you apparently missed this: "nearly a hundred years of experience DOES. Republicans are too self interested and sold out to be able to govern". AND! Their, documented, deplorable economic performance while holding the Presidency proves it. 8)
     
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    So you can't prove your assertion. Imagine my surprise. :lol:
     
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    Silly you, not understanding that correlation does not even IMPLY causation, much less prove it.
    Correlation never proves causation.
    I saw your expression of abject ignorance, yes.
    Repeating it does not make it any less ignorant.
    This will be way over your head, but here goes...
    You cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship you claim.
    Toots.
     
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  15. Noone

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    So far you’ve done a great job of digging yourself into a hole. Your twisting of a Statistics principle is your undoing. It’s not true that “correlation never proves causation”. The correct phrase is, “correlation does not necessarily prove causation”. This is a good article on the subject.
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/math/a27818/correlation-causality-statistics/
    8)

    In fact correlation coupled with real world experience, as I have done, can very well and often does prove causation. It’s actually your haughty uninformed dogma that is “ignorant”.

    But hey thanks for playing and bumping my thread. Toots! :thumbsup:
     
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    It is. Because it can not.
    To prove causation you need to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the effect in question and the cause you claim..
    Correlation cannot do this.
    And, with regard to Democrats being in charge and good economic times -- neither can you.
    Toots.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Negative or positive, you claim it, you prove it. Few things discussed on this forum are as simple and universally accepted as your leprechaun example, so that analogy fails.

    Should we all just take your word for it, no matter what you post? Doesn't that seem a tad arrogant to you?

    Incidentally, I don't make claims, positive or negative, unless I can back them up with facts from more than one source. But that's just me, I guess.
     
  19. Noone

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    Looking at "Propaganda Techniques" your posts check the box's. I gave you a link that discredit you claims, your reply is proof you didn't look at it. However your attempted duplicity, editing my post to suit your purpose, shows you know that the truth is Democrat administrations out perform Republican ones by a wide margin, and have since War 2. Pretend what you wish, but there is 75 years of history that proves you wrong. Using statistical principals as some global variable is disingenuous as my link makes clear. So, there's no point in carrying this further, our points have been made.
     
  20. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Could you translate that? Sorry, but it doesn't make sense.

    1. I'm not a member of any political party and never have been.

    2. I am a moderate, liberal mostly but not exclusively.

    3. The GOP seems to be fresh out of moderates ... it's all about Trump and MAGA now, and few conservatives have the backbone to stand up to their madness. It actually puts them and their families at risk from vandalism, harassment, or worse from Trump's core supporters.
     
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    Don't most employers, even many small ones, provide 401k options? Everyone with a tax-exempt type of retirement savings plan has money in the market.

    If you're claiming that most American workers do not have such a plan, please provide a link.
     
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    So you have a countermanding link?
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't need to.

    My only assertion here is that you lack debating skills and never back up your statements. Everyone on this forum has only to read your posts to know that, so you're doing the proving yourself.
     
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    About 69 million workers, or 56% of the nation's workforce, lack access to a retirement plan through their workplace, the Economic Innovation Group found in its analysis of 2021 Census data.

    Half of Americans lack access to a retirement plan. Here are the worst states. - CBS News

    • About 158 million Americans, or 61% of U.S. adults, own stock.
    • The top 1% holds 54% of stocks, worth $19.16 trillion.
    • The bottom 50% of U.S. adults holds only 0.6% of stocks, worth $21 billion.
     
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  25. Polydectes

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    Okay then God exists because you can't prove that he doesn't.
    so you have proof leprechauns don't exist? Show?
    First, who the **** is we are you like a couple of kids in an adult costume or something.

    Second, I've never had a single **** to give about what you take my word to be.
    I don't need to. Accept it or don't. Your decision. But I will add this, no matter how factual a claim I have made is no matter how much support I give for it I've never seen anybody let go of their position if anything that makes them clutch onto it even more tightly.

    It's called the Dunning Kruger effect.

    It's not my responsibility to help people struggling with this psychological phenomenon. So research yourself or I charge by the hour.
     

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