Possible 90% REDUCTION in CO2 emmissions by 2035?

No. The OP postulates that some time in the future there may be an alternative that is less costly than cow meat. Made from natural gas…

 

What instances are you referring to?
This swamp people not doing the best interests of the People?

I won't tell you every person is innocent. That would be absolutely absurd. About as absurd as thinking most of the gov't is a swamp out to stop the best interests of the people.
They can get fired from their jobs just like anyone else.

And since the FBI is still a trump appointee lead and director. Those swamp calls ring of nothing but conspiracy theory.

Are you now claiming elected officials are the swamp? They passed the ACA and it was upheld during the years R's went to DC with full control to repeal and replace. They did neither.

What is the swamp? Why bring up congress and the president in this conversation?

It appears you're just conflating anything to try and prove some fake news swamp people.

 

What I saw was...

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;​

--and while I'm willing to respect the fact that you are correct in that the constitution does in fact mention "Science", we might want to consider that the context refers to copyrights, not a half $billion of funding for Solyndra.

Copyrights don't take money out of my pockets. Solyndra did.

 

This is the one I was thinking of....

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-global-energy.588197/page-18#post-1073228773

 

I'm not going to get into all this global warming crap except to ask two questions:

If global warming is causing the ice caps to melt, then should locations at sea level see some sort of rise in the water? NYC is at sea level and they're just fine.

If all of the United States just vanished, how much of an improvement to global temps do the alarmists think would occur?

The people making tons of money off of global warming fears have reeled in an awful lot of gullible fish.

 

lack of light huh...
Inside the Arctic Greenhouses Where the Summer Sun Never Sets - Gastro Obscura (atlasobscura.com)

Also, the frost no longer being perma is kinda the whole point...

 

And these would cost how much? Plus who are you planning to move there? I mean we will need housing for about a billion people as low lying areas get inundated as well as those areas at risk of severe weather events ie drought and floods/ storms.
It is too easy to say “move to the polar regions” but if you are moving someone from say Jakarta to Canada and expect them to become a high tech farmer then I suggest it may be a tad more problematic than you realise

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022...-abandoning-its-capital-jakarta-to-save-ithld

 

Again and again I have to post this

 

And currently solar is adding new jobs to the market
https://www.ziprecruiter.com.au/jobs/search?q=American+Solar&utm_source=zr-go-redirect

ONE failure - how many years ago??

 

Note not one founder spent a damn dime on anything that wasn't at best an incremental improvement on existing technology. Railroads had been around for 30-40 years before they assisted in the transcontinental rail road which was still mostly private money. The steam boat was entirely private The spencer and lever action winchester rifles, were private developments and a great aid the the union in winning the civil war in spite of the fact that the only units that used them were cavalry units whose commanders were well healed enough to buy them for their troops. There is a letter from a rebel soldier after Gettysburg complaining that the union had cavalry had a new fangled rifle that you could load on sunday and shoot all damn week.

Slick willies money went to pay back dem bundlers nothing of any real use came from that

 

And yet you still haven't learned the lesson.

 

Nothing. The greenhouse shelters the crops from the cold. No more cold = no more greenhouse. I thought that would be obvious...

There would prolly be some cost associated with altering the soil and managing water, but that's always the case to some degree.

Anyone interested in being a farmer, I suspect, would be interested in moving to newly thawed, newly arable farmland. If nothing else, I'm sure the Ninivet would enjoy growing more food without the need for greenhouses. I'm not so much concerned with figuring out who will move to newly thawed land to farm it. Someone will.

I'm not gonna move anyone to anywhere. People will move themselves, like they have been doing since literally forever, especially as new, previously inhospitable lands open up. People love land.

 

The ability of the government to pick winners and loser is at best abysmal. Almost every green business the Obama administration 'invested' in went bankrupt before Obama left office.

 

It ain't maga that can't see the forest for the trees...

 

I was simply explaining to you what "the swamp" means. It can apply to anyone in government sphere. And it doesn't matter if there's an "R" next to the name or a "D" or an "I" or any other letter. It doesn't matter if its Trump who appointed the person, or Biden, or anyone else. Nor does it matter if its a Director of the FBI or a paper pusher. It can be ANYONE in the Government sphere that is either corrupt or goes against the best interests of the people to push their own special interests.

As for what you said about the ACA...what does that have to do with what I said? You think R's can't be in the swamp? Or are you trying to play some sorta "gotcha" game? Won't work. I'm not an "R". I have no problem criticizing them. Plain fact of the matter is that Congress Critters did not want to be mandated into the ACA because what they get is better than what the ACA provides, and they didn't want to lose that. So they made an exemption for themselves. That is an example of The Swamp. Lying to the FISA courts in order to get warrants is a part of The Swamp. Cops covering for Cops is a part of The Swamp. Lobbyists are also a part of the swamp as they push for things that benefit themselves and only themselves. PAC's are a part of the SWAMP. Money in politics is a part of The Swamp.

The Swamp is not a conspiracy theory. It is simply a way to refer to corruption and special interests affecting our Government. Its actually a neutral term, even if used to only point at one side or the other due to partisanship.

 

Good science says it will take two weeks to flatten the curve. If anyone wants to question science, then all they have to look at is what science told us about the china virus.

 

Link to the so called “good science”?

 

Lack of light? In far north latitudes in the summer growing season?

Maybe that’s the most outrageous claim I’ve ever heard. Have you never seen a monster cabbage or carrot grown in Alaska with 20 hours of sunlight or more per day? Limited sunlight in the north during the summer growing season? What?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ppl.13418[/QUOTE]

How nice it would be if climate nutters knew at least a little bit about science….this thread is highly amusing. So much disinformation.

 

And we are back to the point that the sunlight is different. You are talking arctic circle here - six months darkness. And you STILL haven’t addressed the fact that most of that land is suffering from thawing permafrost.

Mutters to self “basic research” it just takes basic research”

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsufs.2021.663448/full

Plus what are you going to do with the current owners of that land?

 

How nice it would be if climate nutters knew at least a little bit about science….this thread is highly amusing. So much disinformation.[/QUOTE]
Hey! Aussie! One thing we never lack is light! But are you going to tell me you will be able to grow the same crops in the Arctic as elsewhere in the world? If so why is it not currently happening? Plus no one has told me how they intend to deal with thawing permafrost

 

LOL. Strawman alert. Did I say the same crops can or will be grown all over the planet? Have the same crops EVER been grown in all latitudes?

You claimed sunlight is lacking in northern latitudes to grow crops. That’s as anti science as it gets. Why not stop with the fallacy and learn a little of the science? It can’t hurt…

What do you mean “deal with” melting permafrost?

 

Oh... you mean if we don't do anything about AGW we will all have to change diet as food becomes scarce. That's what you meant?

But that's not what the poster I responded to was talking about (I hope). And definitely not what the OP mentions. The reference is to alternative sources of meat to deal with the fact that Climate Change will make beef more expensive.

So it's not just a matter of just reading the OP. You have to actually make an effort to understand what it says.

 

I did. Not in a binary sense, though. However, I'll correct myself and change it to REDUCE.

I don't complain. I'm just saying that I cringe when I read it in a context that appears to be binary.

 

Exactly!

 

It's fine when you are picked the "winner". Not so great when the "winners" are billionaires. Which was Trump's choice. It meant the rest of us became the "losers".