Pro-Palestinian protesters shout ‘Allahu akbar’ outside of World Trade Center site

I think if a country builds their military in a way that harms its citizens they are the war criminal. Israel has a right to self defense. If a guy was holding a hostage in front of him while shooting at everyone in sight would you not be justified to shoot back even if you killed the hostage?

 

The released prisoners have stories of escaping only to be caught by civilians and taken back to their captors. On top of that they elected them in place and allowed them to build their military not to protect the citizens but in a way the citizens protect their military. They are not complacent in the hostages which makes them not complacent in the attack.

 

You went from talking about a military that harms it's citizen's, Israel's right to self defense, and anonymous hostage taker. You should read the Bible more, your parables aren't quite up to standard.

• Hamas is made up of violent war criminals
• Israel AbsaByGodlutely has the right to self defense.
• The Palestinians caught in the middle have a right to life and peace.

 

Who is praising Hamas? People who agree that Islam should rule the world and people who are what communist call 'useful idiots'.
My impression is that useful idiots are majority:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/from-w...l-protests-college-student-ignorance-a682463b
"When college students who sympathize with Palestinians chant “From the river to the sea,” do they know what they’re talking about? I hired a survey firm to poll 250 students from a variety of backgrounds across the U.S. Most said they supported the chant, some enthusiastically so (32.8%) and others to a lesser extent (53.2%).

But only 47% of the students who embrace the slogan were able to name the river and the sea. Some of the alternative answers were the Nile and the Euphrates, the Caribbean, the Dead Sea (which is a lake) and the Atlantic. Less than a quarter of these students knew who Yasser Arafat was (12 of them, or more than 10%, thought he was the first prime minister of Israel). Asked in what decade Israelis and Palestinians had signed the Oslo Accords, more than a quarter of the chant’s supporters claimed that no such peace agreements had ever been signed. There’s no shame in being ignorant, unless one is screaming for the extermination of millions."

 

Don't you mean "They are complicit in the taking hostages? I doubt the Palestinians are the least "complacent", when your home is being destroyed and your wife and children are being killed ... I think ... it would be hard to be "complacent".

I'm sure there are Palestinians that are complicit in the violence, but there are many that are caught in the middle with no where to go. Are you saying it should be Israel's policy to kill them all and let god sort it out? Well, that seems to be Israel's policy now doesn't it?

 

No I’m saying that Israel has a right to attack them no matter where they hide. No where did I say they should kill them all. Yes complicit is a better term. But still complacent in the Oct 7th attack is a fine way being they didn’t participate but are fully aware of what they did and prove it by bringing hostages to them that escaped. They are asking for what is being given to them.


As for how Israel should fight, they should attack them with all their military might. They should not hold back. Like I said earlier. If a man is shooting people in a mall while holding a hostage in front of him it doesn’t mean you shouldn’t shoot back even if the hostage is killed. If they didn’t do what they are doing they would continue to see attacks against them. It was started by Hamas who hides intentionally behind their citizens.

 

Hamas is a government, an elected government by the Palestinian people of Gaza. They’re not just rogue violent war criminals. The government of Gaza (Hamas) built their military in a manner that the civilians protect them rather than the military protecting the citizens. If that’s too hard for you to understand I’m sorry.

however the citizens do have a right to peace but their elected government didn’t give them that right. Israel did not take that right from them.

 

Wait. I’m confused! In one breath I hear Biden is approving genocide in Palestine, but here you are claiming he supports Hamas? Which is it folks?

 

You are no different to a Hamas supporter

 

The fact is it's a terrible situation. I don't see how blaming President Biden or any one person is justified. It's not hard to understand Israel's reaction given their history. But, given their history you would think they would find a way to avoid indiscriminate violence.

 

I actually don’t blame Biden at all. I think Biden is handling it pretty good. I would be a bit more aggressive on the Syrian proxies than he is but he’s doing okay with it.

 

Explain

 

Have you had your head buried in the sand since October 7th? You missed the reports of all the Pro-Palestinian/anti-semantic protests throughout the country? You missed the fact that Jewish students have said that they do not feel safe at colleges/universities because of the Pro-Palestinian protests on campuses? You missed the Presidents of three Ivey League Universities stating before college that calls for the genocide of Jews has to be taken in context before it violates their standards of conduct. You missed Pro-Palestinian protesters gluing their hands to the road blocking the Macy's Parade?

There are a large portion of people in this country that are historically challenged and support the Humas Terrorists.

 

So you’re saying these pro Palestinians are too stupid for their demonstration to be strategically placed at WTC and it was just a random chance location.

I agree. They are really Fin stupid

 

You don't have to like it, but that's their right.

 

Yes, terrorists have shouted that phrase at times, but it is not unique to terrorists. The phrase literally means "God is with us" or "God is Great" in Arabic. It is a phrase that has been used for 1200 years or more. It is a common phrase that is used when there is a birth, when there is a marriage, during the Eid Festival and the holy pilgrimage called the Heij, among other things. And yes, Terrorists have used this term. But terrorists are terrorists not by the words they say, but by their actions. It is a misuse of the phrase in which it goes against the Quran literally. So, people like OBL make their own hadiths and misuse the religion in the name of God/Allah/Yahweh. Christians have like in Spain and the Inquisition or the 30 Year War, and countless others. We try to use Romans 12 to put people in their place, don't we, all in the name of religion? And yet, that is not what Christianity is about, isn't it?

the group is not pro-jihad. What they want is equal rights for Palestinians, a two-party state. That is the overall goal. Netanyahu doesn't want that and does not want either the Gaza Strip nor the West Bank to by anything but Israeli. There are no innocents here in the Holy Land, and Palestinian Christians will tell you a thing or two about Netanyahu and the far right in Israel. They don't like Hamas either, and yet Christians in Israel have been driven out of their homes by the religious far right since the 1990s.

 

Being the place this was chanted at, it was a battle cry. Just as it has been for all jihadists

 

So, we shouldn't praise Great Britain because they wanted to make the world "England" all over? Or how about Manifest Destiny which was our calling to rule the North American Continent from one ocean to the other? That is why we have the Monroe Doctrine still enforced, right? Or how about Matthew 28:19? Is that the passage in which we are to make the whole world Christian? We did it through various programs such as Gold, Guns, and Glory for instance, the Conquistidors, colonialism, etc. We did it to the Native Americans in our own "benevolence" which we called "Reservations" aka no-go zone areas even today, generally. If you look at our history, we are no different than what Islam is allegedly proclaiming and yet, you will either forget or ignore our own history but god be damned if someone else tries to do it.

 

I don't think it was. Yes, they chose the World Trade Center because it gets the media's attention to cover the event. That's all. And it worked. And they use those phrases to get people's attention. Again, you need to look at context here, not just the phrase. Christians use "God is Great" all the time even Christian terrorist groups both in the US and abroad. Does that mean because we use the phrase "God is Great" that all Christians are terrorists?

 

What a crock of crap. Islam looks to wipe out all who are not Islamic. We have zero rogue terrorist groups that hijack planes and plant bombs in the name of a god on countries who differ from said god. We are not like Islam at all

 

They used the phrase in praise of the victory they had at that location. They’re jihad lovers

 

I think Israel has gone way beyond self defense at this point...

 

Not me. Not until the threat has been isolated. The fact they hide behind citizens does not mean they are not still a threat. And they have a right and an obligation to their citizens to destroy the threat they have proven to pose.

 

In terms of their indiscriminal bombing, yes.

 

Two comments:
1. what would be you response, if terrorists murder, rape, torture and kidnap your country fellows? Videos taken from Hamas videos or witness pictures is available on the web - I cannot post it, once I posted my post was removed because of PF policy, but it is described by NYT at:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

2. how to fight terror organization which hides between civilians?