Pro-Palestinian protesters shout ‘Allahu akbar’ outside of World Trade Center site

No you are well aware is aim is to render Hamas unable to operate which means destroying its infrastructure. You deliberately ignore Hamas made its operations indistinguishable from its civilian population as a deliberate shield or tactic so that when it is rendered unable to operate this would necessarily hurt its own civilians. You deliberately ignore Hamas chose to put its civilians in direct fire as shields as a tactic. You think if you come on this forum and ignore that it makes your analysis acceptable.

Not even supporters of Hamas other than you on this forum bother with the above transparent and lame script anymore. Hamas has admitted it has and will kill as many Gaza civilians as possible in its war.

I think its time you understand using Gaza civilians as a shield to die to try protect Hamas and justify what it does is a script you have been brought up to repeat on forums but is not working. It may manipulate self entitled students in the West under a specific age who have never been outside their own bubbles but for the majority of the world the script is just noise. Its noise that accompanies other noise and the average person has a 10 second sound bite attention span before they move on.

So let me be clear as can be mouthpiece-you have no audience to manipulate. You may have been told you have one but you do not. What you have is an audience who is preoccupied with other matters and the people dying in the direct line of fire, Gaza civilian, IDF, Israeli civilians, they all ignore you.

So go on repeat that lame script.

 

The actual script in Gaza is unknown. Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Egypt, Jordan, no one has a clue. The reality is eventually whatever of Hamas is left will flee through Egypt to Syria. Whether Egypt intercepts them or looks the other way remains to be seen. Gaza itself created by Egypt as an open prison camp to house Palestinian refugees to prevent them from moving to Egypt will remain in tents. Whether Gaza is rebuilt depends on Egypt and Saudi Arabia and whether they will want Hamas back in Gaza. At this point they clearly do not. The Arab League which will never say it supports Israel does not support Hamas. It doesn't even support the PA. Palestinians have no government that is either non terrorist or non corrupt. The current leader of the PA is unable to run the sham of a government he claims to. Its a network of corrupt individuals transferring financial aid to Swiss and French bank accounts.

Palestinans have had the opportunity for years to create a government and chose instead violence and corruption. Blaming Israel for that is par for the course for the above mouthpiece and others but ultimately the script for Palestinians has to be written for them and trying to scapegoat Israel for their not being able to write that script has failed. The one refrain-undo Israel and give it to Palestinians is a farse.

The very definition of Palestinian by Hamas or the PA is literally anyone who wants to call themselves a Palestinian provided they are NOT a Jew or non Muslim. That is the definition.

This is still about refusing to acknowledge the right of anyone but Muslims in Palestine to be a Jewish state. Its used as the reason why Palestinians have chosen to live as they do and kill each other more than they have blamed the IDF for. As we speak their are more land disputes and wars between Muslims across the Middle East and on the West Bank than between Israel and so called self identified Palestinians.

But hey let's just repeat the lame script its all the fault of a bunch of uppity Jews who think they should have a state.

 

Good grief wat a piece of propaganda script .. in an effort to manipulate .. then projection of this propagandizing onto others.

Let us be clear .. Israel using its civilians as human shields did does not justify indiscriminate attacks on civilians .. this is a war crime .. a terrorist action .. just as collective punishment of civilians for the actions of the IDF is a War crime.

Do you not understand ..that although Hamas has the right to self defense against the foreign Occupier .. this does not justify collective punishment of Israeli civilians - even as they are being used as human sheilds this is still a war crime .. the slaughter of innocent Israeli civilians a terrorist act.

 

You live in some alt reality incapable of simple logic.

In what world does the phase make sense in the context of protesting Israel's actions? Hint: it doesn't. It's a thinly veiled threat. It's obvious to anybody that isn't entrenched in make-believe.

Not a single one of these people protesting gave a single **** when Hammas attacked Israel. And for that, they can kindly go take a long walk off a short bridge.

The only recourse the Islamic know is violence and terrorism.

 

Progressive liberalism is by far the largest threat to our country. Bar none.

 

Willfully ignorance here.

Could you imagine if Jews were cheering the obliteration of Gaza and Palestinians while screaming "God is Great!" as they watch the country be bombed?

Nobody would be logical in dismissing that.

 

The Islamic? SMH at the things this forum tolerates

 

Is that why Muslims wanted to build a mosque at ground zero? Or is it because their tradition tells them to build mosque on top of conquered sites?

 

Too bad you don't shake your head at the rest of it. And he's not wrong.

 

There is nothing "indiscriminate" about it. Their targeting is very good. Killing lots of bad guys.

 

You've got to be kidding?

 

No I am not kidding. The Israelis are target rocket launchers, ammunition and Command and Control facilities used by Hamas. Masa intentionally places those assets in schools and hospitals. That was known long before this conflict started.

 

You are now talking about Hamas. Correct? Just trying to keep up.

 

You are TOTALLY going off the rails.

Hamas doesn't have the military to seriously threaten Israel - or even defend itself.

For the last DECADES Israel has been waging war against Gaza. Israel turned Gaza into a concentration camp of desperately hungry people who can't fish their own waters or export their own goods - let alone importing what they need for assuring infrastructure such as electricity and WATER!

Before October, Israel had slaughtered LARGE numbers of Gazan citizens. There was a period where border guards took target practice on Gazan farmers plowing their fields.

Yet, YOU are all wound up by one terrorist event when Israel has been raining terror on Gaza and West Bank for so many years.

Yes, that terrorism on BOTH SIDES is intolerable.

But, does it give Israel the right to slaughter THOUSANDS of children?

No human being with even a remote sense of humanity can believe that.

 

Gaza doesn't have the ability to bomb Israel.

What's happening is that Israel is SLAUGHTERING Palestinians by the thousands - because they can.

It's one of the more outrageous acts of atrocity since Pol Pot.

 

They are supporting hamas openly. Garbage humans.

 

Lies. They have waged war against Isreal and Hamas is now suffering the consequences of that.

 

You don't get to go up and swing on someone for no reason and then start crying victim when they punch back 10 times more and 10 times harder.

You should have thought about that before you went up and sucker punched someone tougher than you are

 

You have not read the Quran Joe. I have. You also don't know the Bible either even though you are a Christian. All religions have used and abused the religious books of their faith in the past from the Gunpowder Plot to the Crusades. We have Christian terrorist groups even today and in the recent past in our own country. One notorious group is called the "Army of God" in Nigeria. Or the terrorist Christian groups that bombed abortion clinics in the 1990s. These groups and individuals are just as bad as Boku Harim in Nigeria, AQ, Taliban, or even Hamas. We have Eric Rudolf, our first modern Christian Terrorist. We have had the Klu Klux Klan in the old South that did ethnic cleansing from the 1880s to the 1960s, some 1400 or more lynchings that were never prosecuted, generally. We have Christians in Serbia who did ethnic cleansing all in the name of Christianity. And yes, there are religious Islamic terrorist groups. Religion is used to justify their cause. But in Islam, in the Quran, there is no such thing much like in the NT. Old Testament, especially in the books of Joshua and others, that Jews were ordered by God to kill all of them such as the Canaanites when they first entered the promised land given to them by God. And if you want to really get into it, there have been Christian pastors and churches that quite literally call for the deaths of people who are in the LGBTQ. We had a GOP representative that went to Africa and praise the legislation of executing anyone who was gay in that country and thought we should do the same, all in the name of God the Father.

 

The problem is that although Hamas took the first blow, it does not excuse what Israel has done either to the Palestinians since they occupied the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in 1967. In those days, it was very controversial in the US among US Jewish leaders who thought that was a mistake, but never really covered by the media. We used it as an example of Communism being defeated in that war. France and England have washed their hands of the whole thing since 1954 for France and 1946 for England after the bombing of British HQ in a hotel in Jerusalem by Jewish Terrorists who eventually became the future leaders of Israel.

 

We can always bring back the British Empire from his Glory days in order to make the World England. Oh wait, we insurrected against that, didn't we?

 

Since you know everything about everything and everyone I was wondering if you could tell me tomorrow's lottery numbers?

After all you can tell what some guy you never met on the internet has or has not read.

Are you familiar with the Islamic concept that makes it okay to lie to the unbelievers? There's even a specific word for it.

 

Want to know the difference between a massacre and a battle in the Native American wars we had in the 19th century?

We call it a massacre when Native Americans kill every man, woman, and child on the plains of what we call the Midwest as we progressed from St. Louis to the West Coast in building that railroad. We would have the Calvary go and attack an entire village and do the same thing, but we would call it a battle. See the difference here?

that too is happening in Palestine/Israel. Most of them have nowhere else to go. They were kicked out of their homes in 1947 and settled in Gaza, West Bank, or elsewhere. They were kicked again in 1954, 1967, 1973, and even today. There have been three Palestinian intifada since 1967. Intifada means uprising and Israel cracked down hard. A lot of the conflict has to do with how Israel came into existence, the forcing of Palestinians from their homes from 1946 to 1947, and ever since. There are no innocents here, and even in Israel, Christians who have lived there are also disappearing fast because of extremely religious views in Israel. Some believe that only Jews should live in Israel and that Israel should have its glory days back when King Solomon was king some 3000 years ago. These are the ultra-orthodox Jews who live in Israel and have a very powerful political voice in Israeli Politics, especially in the Likud Party.

I don't condone what Hamas did, but I can understand why Hamas did it. But what Israel is doing is also a mistake killing innocent civilians while going after Hamas leaders. Instead of sending commando units to take them out, they are dropping 2000-pound bombs on highly densely populated areas, some of which were designated "safe zones" by Israel, and they are still dying, which is adding fuel to the fire to the entire conflict. That's the problem. Not even the US has done that since the Vietnam War, especially in Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, the Libya incursion, Grenada, and even Panama. Israel is losing the battle of perception here and something needs to change in Israeli tactics. But Netanyahu does not care. He is even getting criticism from the very people he saved, some of which has been devastating such as three hostages holding white flags but still shot and killed by Israeli armed forces.

 

I learned this in high school. I even read a book called "From Beruit to Jerusalem" by Thomas Friedman. But it also shows how piss poor our world history has been in school as well. Just sayin. But I would highly recommend that book. It is politically neutral, explains the history of the conflict, and so forth. Thomas Friedman is a Jew and the ONLY Jew to interview Arafat when he was alive. That is saying something I think you don't or will never understand.

That being said, I think you guys are reacting emotionally more from the internet than you realize and your posts reflect that, while at the same time, ignoring history to its core.

As for the question, it is called taqiyya. Under the Quran, lying is generally forbidden, but if a Muslim must lie to a Kefir. Kefirs are not all nonmuslims, but a specific group of nonbelievers, usually in the Arabian peninsula. It may be translated into pagan, nonbeliever, etc, but even Sarah 4 says Christians and Jews are brothers and sisters of the book. thus, Kefir are anyone who is Not Muslim, Christian, or Jew, aka all those other religions that most Americans don't know about like Hindu, Sikh, Buddist, Shinto, etc. But if they must lie to a Kefir, then they perform taqiyya to seek forgiveness for lying. Again, it is not as simple as you might have heard or read in your conservative social media outlets. But at the same time, how many "white lies" that we tell ourselves that it is too okay? Isn't a lie is a lie is a lie whether you tell a white lie to your wife or friends or a big lie such as a homicide suspect telling the police he never committed the act even though there is evidence to prove otherwise? Don't pastors lie when they try to use wealth gospels to get all those donations? Or how about lying that if you are gay you are going to hell? Try answering those questions for once Fatback. Try to do it logically if you can.

What happens when a Christian lies about something, even a white lie? Do we Christians generally shrug it off, apologize for lying to the person whom the lie was intended, or will you use the argument of "we are only humans?"

 

A leaked video awhile back showed what is being taught in some Israeli religious schools. I have attached the video. I imagine that many Palestinian schools teach the same message except with the Jews as the villains instead of the Arabs.

For full context of the video, an Israeli Jew made the following comment on the video:

In a recent incident, Israeli Jews were caught spitting on Christians.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-eas...ws spitting,of spitting at Christian pilgrims.

Christians were 20% of the population of the Middle East a century ago and are now down to 4%. Bethlehem was 86% Christian in 1950 and is now down to 10%.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-driving-christians-out-of-middle-east-report
https://www.ncronline.org/bethlehems-declining-christian-population-casts-shadow-over-christmas