Israeli military shot and killed three hostages

No flipping here. I have been perfectly consistent.

Please explain the UNGA vote on the PLO.

 

Removal of the debased criminals also known as Hamas who are responsible for the deaths of both Israeli and Gazan civilians is the objective of Israel. Hamas uses Gazan civilians as human shields. Hamas is therefore responsible for any loss of life which may result from the effort to destroy Hamas. This is tragic but necessary. This is the lesson of Dresden and Hiroshima.

 

What's happened to the remaining hostages, it's been quiet recently?

 

— War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz
https://a.co/7lvrDC4

 

— War Against the Jews: How to End Hamas Barbarism by Alan Dershowitz

 

iWonder if the hostages have already been killed by the Israelis and hamas is pretending they're alive so that the UN continues to call for a ceasefire.

 

Some of the captives have died due to Israel's blind bombing and shooting spree; but most are alive. In fact, there is a good chance there will be some agreement on mutual exchange of captives soon. I think time is running up for the Israelis and the effort now is to find a face saving formula for Netanyahu. Militarily, the Israelis have accomplished very little.

 

Israelis have been trying to save face ever since being on the wrong end of the most spectacular and ambitious military operation witnessed in the last century, Oct 7.

 

Really? More than the invasion of Normandy or liberation of Kuwait or Battle of Amiens?

 

It reminds me articles I read some time ago about Arab propaganda during 6 Days War and during Yom Kippur war - in the beginning Arabs celebrated the end of Istrael. On Oct 7 there was similar celebration on streets of Gaza, I hope today people of Gaza learn something, and not the conclusion that "Militarily,
the Israelis have accomplished very little". If they didn't learn, I don't see for them bright future.

 

Agree, Oct 7 killings, rapes, burnings, torture, kidnappings and live recording of this events by Hamas was the most spectacular and ambitious war crime witnessed in the last century:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

 

Aren't there more relevant wars in the 21st century to see who needs to learn lessons from this war now about to enter its 4 month of fighting?

 

That sounds like General Muhammad ‘Abd al-Hakim ‘Amer, the Egyptian commander-in-chief, after the first couple of days of the six day war in which the Egyptian air force had been effectively destroyed.

 

The lesson of WWII is pertinent. The German Nazi’s and Japanese Emperor & Samurai Military had to be completely destroyed and eliminated to free the citizens of those countries and the world from the destructiveness of those evil governments/military's. Tragically many German and Japanese civilians lost their lives. The responsibility for that tragic loss of life goes to the Nazi’s and Samurais.

This is the lesson which Israel must employ to destroy Hamas and save both the Israeli and Gazan citizens.

 

The mass murder of defenseless Jews since the Holocaust is a military victory to be lauded and celebrated?

 

Netanyahu gets it. Hopefully this lesson can be completely applied.


Hamas must be destroyed, Gaza must be demilitarized, and Palestinian society must be deradicalized. These are the three prerequisites for peace between Israel and its Palestinian neighbors in Gaza.

First, Hamas, a key Iranian proxy, must be destroyed. The U.S., U.K., France, Germany and many other countries support Israel’s intention to demolish the terror group. To achieve that goal, its military capabilities must be dismantled and its political rule over Gaza must end. Hamas’s leaders have vowed to repeat the Oct. 7 massacre “again and again.” That is why their destruction is the only proportional response to prevent the repeat of such horrific atrocities. Anything less guarantees more war and more bloodshed.


Second, Gaza must be demilitarized. Israel must ensure that the territory is never again used as a base to attack it. Among other things, this will require establishing a temporary security zone on the perimeter of Gaza and an inspection mechanism on the border between Gaza and Egypt that meets Israel’s security needs and prevents smuggling of weapons into the territory.


Third, Gaza will have to be deradicalized. Schools must teach children to cherish life rather than death, and imams must cease to preach for the murder of Jews. Palestinian civil society needs to be transformed so that its people support fighting terrorism rather than funding it.

That will likely require courageous and moral leadership. Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas can’t even bring himself to condemn the Oct. 7 atrocities. Several of his ministers deny that the murders and rapes happened or accuse Israel of perpetrating these horrific crimes against its own people. Another threatened that a similar attack would be carried out in Judea and Samaria.


Wall Street Journal, December 25, 2023

 

There is a reason the neocons have used the example of WWII and "de-Nazification" for the past 20+ years but it has little to do with anything their propaganda script reveals.

 

The reason is that the lesson of WWII was necessary to end the wars with Germany and Japan and it worked saving the lives of millions of German and Japanese civilians.

Dodge and logical fallacies noted.

 

Based on the above those agreeing with the above post also consider Wounded Knee a great military victory.

 

At least the earlier horrors the neocons had scripted to accomplish PNAC and Greater Israel had the examples "nation-building" and some belief in subservient democracy from the examples of post WWII Germany and Japan to (rhetorically) mitigate some of its sheer evil. Even that part has since been abandoned.

 

Did "Wounded Knee" usher an existential war and crisis in confidence for America? Because on that issue. behind all the propaganda and lies, Netanyahu is right. And that only goes to show the inherent weakness of the Zionist entity, all the military hardware delivered and being delivered to it notwithstanding!

 

Sad, but very true. And even sadder, for reasons I don't understand, they are allowing them to stay and spew their hatred here.

 

Do you consider Wounded Knee to be a military victory?

 

Japan and Germany are two of the greatest examples of democratic governments leading resulting in economic growth resulting in very high standards of living respectively. All this staring from basically total destruction at the end of WWII. The same could happen in Gaza if Hamas was totally destroyed. When Israel completely left in ~ 2005 they left significant infrastructure for the Gazas lead by the PLO to achieve economic success and a high standard of living. Hamas has destroyed all that and instead of working to improve the lifes of Gazans Hamas uses them as human shields and brain washed young Gazans to become terrorists who delight in killing Jews.

 

I am no expert on the American-Indian wars and had confused Wounded Knee with the Battle of the Little Bighorn.

Wounded Knee was like My Lai or Sabra and Shatila apparently. Or what Israel is doing in Gaza...