General Motors slashing workforce at two Michigan plants

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  1. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, an amazing thing happened and Carter nominated Paul Volcker as the Fed chair, who then got inflation under control using high interest rates. Of course, the Reagan disciples always claim that it was Saint Reagan's doing. That's how the partisans roll.
     
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    Today's youth buddy up, sometimes four to a house to make rent.. Something common place in distressed parts of the world..

    Welcome to an America 3WN..
     
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    That how it's always worked.. Doesn't dismiss the fact that Carter was a moron. Although it demonstrates what a smart person put in charge of a problem can solve.

    Now we look at what the Ls elected to make good decision and find out they haven't learned anything since the peanut farmer President.
     
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    A strawman fallacy and published Dem talking point is not a well reasoned argument regarding/countering my post. To wit: I could not buy a house when Carter was President. I could buy a house when Reagan was elected. That is a simple fact. As I recall things changed pretty quickly after Reagan took the helm. The point of course being young people should think long and hard about their future before voting for Old White Joe.
     
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    Middle 30s adults still live with their parents. Pretty shocking IMHO. I would expect most of these sorts of people are liberals.
     
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    That is actually not a "fact". That you felt you couldn't do that under one and could under the other was your interpretation of your individual status at the time.

    That you didn't buy a house under Carter and did under Old White Ron would be a fact.
     
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    And that started under the great Obatard dynasty ;)

    The Ls set this nation economy back everything they get their pecker in it. Every thing they touch goes to crap, hence the the reason they embrace war..

    Their real problem is greed.. It's OK to jack the taxpayers somewhat but a Democrats sux a country dry..
     
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    I guess the land contracts that were used to buy and sell houses during the days of Jimmy Carter must be a figment of my imagination.
     
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    That happens after a certain age...
     
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    Reagan also pushed deficit spending, which was used to restart the economy.
    https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/debt_deficit_history
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    Now there are economists that dont place too much emphasis on deficit spending, but you are over simplifying the issue. Carter got caught in another oil embargo. I know Trump has cost me 1000s per year.
     
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    What strawman fallacy? You blame Carter for not being able to buy a house, and you credit Reagan for being able to buy one, that's the epitome of a hyperpartisan.

    Had we listened to the peanut farmer, we'd be much less dependent on foreign oil today, and much more invested in alternative energies. Instead, Reagan gave us exploding deficits, starve the beast policies, exploding income inequality, stagnating middle and lower class wages (when compared to productivity growth), and the advent of gas guzzling SUVs, to perpetuate the fossil fuel energy economy. Somehow, however, he has convinced half the population that tax cuts pay for themselves. Now, talk about low-information voters....
     
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    What happens after a certain age? Remembering about the Panama Canal being given away. Remember odd/even gas rashioning. Remembering an energy policy based on buying sweaters, the mailaise speech, etc. Is that what gets remember along with the over 198 percent mortgage rates?
     
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    My job status and income did not change. What changed was the market and morgage rates.
     
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    Most voters are low information types. Like the ones that will never ask where are the 500,000 charging stations? A question you can perhaps answer.
     
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    I'm totally cool with the conversion to full EV autonomy at some point, however we are decades away from our grid being able to sustain such a draw... Even Europe has identify this as a major concern.

    EV charging growth plans slowed by EU's power grid problems
     
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    Did you ACTUALLY read the REASONS why that is SLOWED?

    BECAUSE there is NOTHING in your linked article that mentions "such a draw" being "unsustainable".

    The actual problem is RED TAPE!

     
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    You have rolling brown outs already.. You literally think adding to the strain of our poor grid today is going to improve??? California last summer literally stated NOT to charge your EV on certain days.

    Californians Told Not To Charge EVs As Grid Struggles In Heat Wave
     
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    Please provide DIRECT evidence LINKING the CHARGING of EV's to the "rolling brown outs" because NOTHING in your link even suggests that they are the CAUSE of an EXCESSIVE DRAW on the grid.
     
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    https://www.earthday.org/california...ving-100-renewable-energy-for-the-first-time/

    CA has gone 100% on renewables. Last summer, TX was 21% on renewables and they needed it during a record heat wave.
     
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    There's something hilarious about a bunch of "Green" activists whining about government red tape.

    Pass the popcorn, this could be fun!
     
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    You also left out TX. With the record setting heat wave, and if they did not have the renewables, many more people would have died.
     
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    Good for them. It's still a shame that they've not decided to tie into other systems to be able to borrow from them when needed, but whatever they have to do.
     
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    That works both ways, if connected, then at times other nets could draw from TX.
     
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    Michigan is turning redder by the minute.
     

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