House Republican says he won't accept a border deal because it may help Biden politically

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  1. Noone

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    And, for good reason.
     
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    Not that you could dispute.
    Now, are you going to provide any part of Bidens bill that will lower the illegal crossings or just deflect because you can't?
     
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    never made it to Biden, that is still on Congress...
     
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    You think HR 2 is in Congress?
    Well, that explains it
     
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    you think it made it to Biden?
    Well, that explains it
     
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    Nope, its still sitting on Senate majority leader Chuck Schumers desk since July because he refuses to let the senate vote on it.
    Maybe instead of making up claims, you might educate yourself before commenting.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the Senate is part of Congress?

    maybe too early for you?
     
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    It looks like Senator Schumer is doing what..
    .. is accused of doing.. holding up a bill because, theoretically, it would work and, therefore, help the Republicans politically.
     
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    Still can't provide any part of Bidens bill that will lower the illegal crossings?
    Thats what I thought.
     
  10. Golem

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    That is NONSENSE. The Biden administration transported unaccompanied CHILDREN to government facilities so they could be released to adults who would care for them.

    Which is NORMAL. You can't leave children just.... running around on their own. Or, even worse, what TRUMP did, which was to actually separate children who WERE accompanied, from their parents.

    However, you FALSELY make it appear as if Biden were doing what Abbot and DeSantis were ACTUALLY doing: transporting ADULTS for free all over the country and under false pretenses at taxpayer's expense to places where they thought would give them a better chance of finding work.

    One more time PROJECTION leaves the MAGA-Republican looking uninformed. Not to mention that it exposes how MAGAs could not care less about children (they only feign it when talking about abortion) and would inflict as much cruelty on them as they could. Yet another sign of how sick the Trump Party is today.

    Look... once you do the most basic research, you'll understand that the whole "border crisis", in the eyes of MAGAs, is just one huge attempt to inflict cruel inhumane acts. Especially on children. And THAT is why they vote against a bill that they know would solve the problem in a humane way.

    They are just TERRIFIED that Biden would succeed in accomplishing something MAGAs talk and talk about, but never actually do anything solve it. They just... inflict pain!
     
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    What you eliminate from your claims is over 6 million illegals have crossed in the last 3 years because of Bidens policies.
    So now that you've done the research, what part of Bidens bill lowers illegal crossing into the US?
    Guaranteed you won't provide the answer.
     
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    No. I mean reality... Not MAGA make-believe fantasy lala land
     
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    Well... none of them voted for the bill. And this is the only reason given. So it looks like they ARE that vindictive.

    BTW, never mind "vindictive". The point is that they have NO interest in solving the immigration problem at the border. This is now clear, right?
     
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    Whats clear is your imagination doesn't line up with actual facts.

    Like the bill provided by Republicans called H.R. 2. The Secure the Border Act of 2023. Introduced by Republicans on May 2, 2023.
    Still sitting on Chuck Schumer's desk who refuses to put it up for vote in the Senate most likely because no Democrat voted for it in the house.

    It would Reestablish border policy, including restarting construction on the border wall and requiring the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to create a plan to meet benchmarks for 200 miles of construction each year;

    Reinforce the unrealistically narrow definition of “operational control” as “the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband”(emphasis added);

    Require the DHS secretary to incorporate physical barriers, infrastructures, and technologies to “achieve situational awareness and operational control” at the U.S.-Mexico border;

    Increase the number of full-time Border Patrol agents to at least 22,000;

    Prohibit the use of U.S. Customs and Border Protection Air and Marine Operations resources to transport noncitizens who will not be detained into the country’s interior;

    Build on Operation Stonegarden to appropriate $110 million per fiscal year — from 2024 through 2028 — for grants to law enforcement agencies working with U.S. immigration authorities near the U.S.’s land and maritime borders;

    Require the U.S. Border Patrol to pull together a strategic plan based in part on information provided by “border community stakeholders” such as hospitals, farmers, ranchers, property owners, victims of crimes done by undocumented immigrants, and others “negatively impacted by illegal immigration;”

    Pull funding for processing noncitizens who have entered the U.S. illegally between ports of entry;

    Bar funds from being disbursed to NGOs that “facilitate or encourage unlawful activity,” defined to include unlawful entry, or that facilitate transportation, lodging, or immigration legal services for people who are inadmissible;

    Restrict the use of documents provided by DHS, such as notices to appear and work authorizations, as valid IDs at airport security checkpoints;

    Limit the CBP One phone application and other similar platforms to only be used for the inspection of perishable cargo, barring its use for the scheduling of immigration interviews for people at ports of entry;

    Mandate government reporting on migration-related economic and security ramifications to states and municipalities along the U.S.-Mexico border, including to law enforcement, school districts, healthcare providers, and farmers and ranchers; and

    Defund an alternatives to detention case management program and CBP’s shelter services program.

    Thats what immigration reform looks like.

    Now, tell us whats in Bidens bill that reduces illegal crossings.
    GUARANTEED YOU CAN'T
     
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    Projection only works with MAGAs. Not going to earn them any independent votes. But it is going to accomplish is to motivate Democrats who might be a bit hesitant about showing up at the polls for Biden.
     
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    That's the point. Republicans will ONLY vote for actions to physically hurt and maybe KILL refugees, mostly children, but will do NOTHING that will actually help solve the problem.

    Why am I bothering to explain this to you AGAIN? If you didn't get it the first seven times, I'm not sure why I think that explaining it to you an eighth time will make any difference. I guess I was just bored but... don't expect a ninth time.
     
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    Gee, do you think that has anything to do with the fact that in 2020 Border Patrol began using a new methodology to include "apprehensions" and "expulsions" as a single statistic for "encounters" at the border?
     
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    That is a load of complete BS, and you know it. You are claiming that all those migrants in hotels in New York and similar places- are children???

    What happened to your "research"? Do you really think the rest of us are so stupid we can't filter the drivel out of the left's propaganda and see what's happening?

    These people aren't coming to America to put in- they are coming here to take out. IF they were honest people in the first place, people we would welcome, they wouldn't be violating the border and our laws.
     
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    It came straight from Pelosi's mouth.

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    She rejected a previously proposed bill (1.8 trillion stimulus that met quite a few of her demands, look it up)...and then after the election she accepted a smaller bill "because we have a new president". The only one in lala land are those that hate Trump so much that they ignore everything that their side does.
     
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    Of course not. Didn't you get the new memo?
    The historical rise in illegal crossings isn't due to Biden 2 dozen border policy changes.
    Its due to Republicans explaining it via media so now illegals know Bidens policy changes.

    I realize how hard it is to keep up with ever changing Democrat propaganda but you're just going to have to do a better job. lol
     
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    More hogwash.
    There is nothing in HR 2 that physically hurts anyone. Democrats have become such a joke.

    But we have all noticed you have been asked over and over to provide any part of Bidens bill that reduces illegal crossings.
    And we have all watched you run from it over and over because you can't.
    So much for your validity of arguments and research claims. lol
     
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    You haven't ONCE answered the question provided to you over and over.
    Why would you run from such an easy question?
    Looks like we are developing a pattern here.

    I guess all that validity of arguments and research is nothing but hot air.
     
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    More money for shelters and judges, not security. It’s DOA.
     
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    which means asylum seekers spend more time here legally before their time in front of a judge
     
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    Legally? That's questionable.
     

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