Mail-In Ballot Fraud Study Finds Trump ‘Almost Certainly’ Won

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  1. RodB

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    So, do you think Rasmussen is lying and just making up polling statistics???
     
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    Trump lost, end of story.
     
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    You are skirting the edges trying to prove insinuations. The article did not say that 20% of the mail in votes were fraudulent. It said that Rasmussen said the 20% of the respondents admitted to making a fraudulent mail-in ballot. I assume that most if not all were not fraudulent in the legal sense of the term (nobody in their right mind would admit to such) but fraudulent in terms of being improper -- incorrect or improper this or that. However, in regular absentee balloting that is grounds for excluding the ballot, although many states have a process where thy try to contact the voter to straighten out an improper ballot. Most if not all of the states that had wide spread mail-in balloting in 2020 most likely did not bother to verify let alone fix up with the voter. This amounts to a massive number of votes that were counted but should not have been counted.

    The article was referring to people registered in one state but voting in another (or possibly both). You are relating a person registered in one state and voting in that state's election but from an absentee location in another state or out of the state. Two entirely different things.
     
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    That wasn't the question. Trump lost absolutely and unequivocally because the victor is decided and declared only on Jan 6 with the count of the electoral college votes. The "lost" argument stems from the fact that if the election vote tabulation would have been completely proper, legal, and counted correctly Trump might have won the vote tally and hence the electoral college.
     
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    So glad to hear that you are aware of the problem.
     
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    Umm, that's a poll, not a "study".

    How very scientific. Impeccable source, too.

    "Uh, 20% admitted to maybe, kind of fraudy looking things and stuff when you squint your eyes and hold your breath to the point of unconsciousness!"

    LOL!
     
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    Rasmussen did the poll. It was the extremely right-biased Heartland Institute that "interpreted" the results for an equally far right wing rag.

    Your source lies to you. You are being misled, fed the "red meat" that Trump delightedly approves of. You are getting half-truths spun towards views you already prefer. The Epoch Times leaves out a lot more than they publish on nearly every issue. They are known for it. You need a better information source, one that actually vets a story before they publish.
     
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    What does Epoch Times have to do with my point?
     
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    It would be really great if people focused on correcting the damage, like:

    1. End the war in Ukraine and resurrect everyone who got killed in it.
    The hot stage of the war started by sending 700 million dollars of 'aid' to
    Ukraine during 2021 and when it arrived and was used to shell Donetsk
    and a few other population areas and Russia finally responded on Feb 24th
    and then the US stepped up the weapons supplies and Russia responded and so on.

    2. Reverse kicking Russia off the dollar, it means we now have fewer customers
    for the dollars we print, and that will soon become a big problem.

    3. Send A Blinken around the world to apologize to everyone he insulted.

    to name a few
     
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    The survey doesn't verify any irregularities either, it doesn't specify anything to suggest irregularities or fraud. The phrasing of the survey about voting in another state says 17% of mail-in voters admit that in 2020 they voted in a state where they are “no longer a permanent resident”

    Note the article doesn't specify anything about voting in a state where one is not registered, in fact it doesn't specify if the person was in another state at all, or out of the country entirely. It is vague enough to include many variables that are neither a crime or an irregularity. Someone who is in the military and stationed in another state, or even stationed overseas could be included in the survey's statistic. As could someone who is attending college, away from home for work, or who owns residential properties in different states.

    All of these circumstances would be legal, and not an irregularity. Donald Trump himself voted with a mail in ballot for a voter registration in Florida while he was primarily living in DC. He could have also voted in New York if that was where he chose to be registered instead of Florida. It is very important to note that the statistic is based on a survey, meaning the answers are based on people who found their situation applicable to the question.

    Any conclusions drawn about fraud or irregularities from the survey are 100% speculative
     
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    Warren et al's letter was not sent to all three of the biggest suppliers of voting systems, not just Dominion. It expressed the concern that profit boosting cost-cutting meant they were failing to innovate, update etc., so that their systems were increasingly outdated etc. and increasingly vulnerable to not only to errors but attacks.

    It cited some examples of issues in 2018 but did not attribute them any one company, and certainly did not suggest any deliberate intent to affect the operation or results of election.

    As for Larry Nadler, he was referring to "paper ballots" - not condemning mail-in voting. His argument was that paper ballots with no machines were susceptible to fraud, so machines would reduce this - a person's ballot would be scanned in, etc. But, that paper ballots provided a valuable paper trail, as a good back up/check to the machines.

    Eric Trump tried to mischaracterize this too, posting a clip on X. To which Nadler replied,

    Eric! So good to hear from you, I had forgotten all about you but hope you are doing okay. Love the video
    of me talking about the need for a paper trail to ensure voting integrity. Mail-in or absentee ballots
    are a paper trail used by, among others, our men and women in uniform.

    https://twitter.com/RepJerryNadler/status/1265644837048651776?lang=en-US
     
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    Those findings are consistent with common sense. Some folks would rather ignore common sense in favor of believing that humans simply do not conspire to break the law.

    As an independent thinker who never voted for Trump, it is bloody well obvious that massive manipulation of the voting system happened in 2020
     
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    Perhaps you could elaborate on the "obvious massive manipulation".
     
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    I know that curious minds will educate themselves, and that many Americans, if not most Americans, do not have curious minds. They've been conditioned to let authority tell them what and how to think.
     
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    just think. all because the demos cheated there are many dead soldiers and citizens that DIED as a result of BRIBEDEN'S disastrous policies, all from a PAPER PRESIDENT. More evidence coming out by the minute! They just dropped a bomb with regards to people dead as long as 20 years still showing up on voter rolls
     
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    True the Vote attorneys admitted in court yesterday they had no evidence to support their election claims.
     
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    Would you be interested in providing a link proving your claim?
     
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    Dunning Kruger.
     
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    Well, the answer was no. "I'm really curious, and stuff, and my mind is..uh..things."
     
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