When do you finally admit that Trump IS the swamp?

conflating money as speech is wrong.

Money is power and power is not speech, though speech is used to facilitate power, they are not the same thing.

try buying a house with your 'speech'. Oh, I suppose you could write book, and make enough on sales to buy a house, but that isn't right, you now are using money, and not speech, to buy the house.

If one guy can donate $5 million to a superPAC, he is exacting undue influence that someone who has no where near that much money can do.

Is that right?

I don't think it is.

And the reason is money is power, not speech.

yes,. there is power in some speech, but speech, PER SE, is not power.

It's the per se that delineates the all important distinction.

Either you can grasp it, discern the distinction, or you can't. This court apparently cannot.

How about the argument that celebrities use speech to exact undue influence?

Their celebrity, in a sense, has 'power', should they be allowed?

In a sense, but here it is a bit different, because what attracts a celebrity to one candidate or another is earned affection by the candidate. A candidate does not earn the money donated by the rich guy, but a candidate earns the affection of a celebrity and his or her celebrity is inescapable and he or she has a first amendment right to speak about a candidate. A candidate's affection is speech. But, money, per se, is not.

Celebrity is an earned asset.

Money corrupts the political process, erodes public confidence, a celebrity's support does not. It's the outcome that tells the tale.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

 

I'm fully expecting that Chevron will be overturned in June. Then the whole world will be able to see who the real swamp is. You'll be able to hear their pathetic, tortured, dying screams from Mars.

And it will be sooo sweet for us Trump supporters.

 

people who pay more in taxes have the ability to spend more on a candidate. BFD

 

what part of the constitution gives the government the power you want it to have?

 

the ATFs idiocy on the "pistol brace" rule is exactly why Chevron needs to go the way of the dodo bird

 

if that were true, you wouldn't have responded

 

Trump was part of it.

in the 70s, he was charged with discrimination.

He was sued by over 100 contractors for stiffing them.

His charity was forced to close because he embezzled funds for private use and he was fined $2 million bucks. .

He was forced to settle for $25,000,000 because he screwed thousands out of millions in a fake university scam.

he has filed for bankruptcy 6 times.

he paid a porn star $130k to keep quiet about his fornication with her in order to unlawfully influence his election, not to mention his fornication occurred recently after his newly wed wife gave birth.

Once sued by his niece, he kicked his toddler nephew, who is stricken with Cerebral Palsy, off the family health care plan to spite his niece.

8 of his associates have been convicted and sent to prison.

His Trump org has been convicted of Fraud, and it's CFO sent to prison.

Three of his lawyers were disbarred for unethical practices.

He screwed his deceased brother out of his estate's inheritance (the basis for the suit by his niece), he got his father to sign a new will cutting them out of their inheritance, so instead of trump receiving 1/5th his father's inheritance, he got 1/4th.

Trump, himself, is under 4 indictments, 91 felony counts.

He has been found liable of sex abuse and forced to pay $88 million in damages.

He has has been accused by 25 women of sex abuse, the very things he bragged about in the Access Hollywood tape.

He once tried to use eminent domain to screw a widow out of her home so that he could build a limo garage for his casino.

And then he convinced 65 million people that Democrats stole the election, causing a juggernaut of rage resulting in an attack on the capitol on 1/6, for which he has earned some 45 or so felony counts for unlawfully disrupting the peaceful transfer of power and attempting to deny Biden his lawful win of the election by also trying to pressure state election officials to switch elector slates from Biden to Trump.

This man is a swamp creature from the getgo.

 

All of that may be true. But with Biden and the great concern among the voters about his age and mental fitness gives Trump a 50-50 shot at regaining the white house. At least as of today. Biden’s age is his major problem to reelection. Trump’s felony indictments, all his legal problems is his biggest problem to regaining the white house. You have this - Felonies, Old Age Heavily Count Against Candidates


https://news.gallup.com/poll/609344...utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication


and this - Overwhelming majority of Americans think Biden is too old for another term: POLL


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/overwhelming-majority-americans-think-biden-140000044.html


Which helps explain why someone the way you describe Trump which is accurate in my opinion has a slight lead over Biden today in the national polls along with leading in every swing state except Pennsylvania.


https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden


The bottom line and what both major parties are ignoring to the max is that most Americans don’t want Biden reelected and at the same time, most Americans don’t want Trump to regain the white house. When it comes to this rematch, dread is the word most Americans are using to describe it. They don’t want to choose between them. They want someone else which isn’t going to happen. This rematch is turning into a who cares who wins or loses among those who dislike and don’t want neither Trump nor Biden. Look for a very low voter turnout and a high third-party vote come November. More like 2016 than in 2020.

 

First, the question is illogical.

If I 'wanted' the constitution to do something, it wouldn't have the power to do it, it would be a want, which suggests a future not achieved..

Second, Question has an assumed premise.

So, you must prove your premise.

Once you do that, then ask the question.

However, since your question is illogical, that will be impossible.

May I suggest that you clear your thoughts, and express yourself with more precision? Just sayin'.

 

how is Biden worth millions despite being the the public tit since he got out of law school?

 

well for the government to restrict how much money I spend advocating that say the GOP wins and the democrats lose, the government has to have a legitimate power to do so-where is that found?

 

Wrong on all counts as the various appeals rolling down the pipeline will eventually prove.

 

Apparently you are unaware that appeals are not normally about reversing findings of facts or verdicts, they are more about looking for.....

1. . Errors in procedure, and if there are any, would it have changed the outcome if the error in the procedure had not been committed. I doubt these judges, given we are dealing with the former President and the high states involved, I doubt they are going to be sloppy on procedure.

2. Adjustments in fines, awards, judgements. Trump might get them lowered, but it is doubtful they will be lowered more than half,, which is still a ton of money. So, he's on the hook for a half billion, so if it is reduced to a 1/4 of a billion, it's still a lot of dough.

In other words, I'll file your comment in the unicorn dreams file.

 

Lots of left wing projection in this thread.

 

For donating to candidates, the limit currently is $2,900.

So I assume you are referring to superPACs. Okay, if Citizens United were reversed, through a constitutional amendment or a reversal by a future Court, the legislature could simply make them illegal (or the part that allows dark money without limit to them). That would be tough to navigate in Congress, I suspect there are collateral issues that would have to be negotiated, but, overall, doable, I should think. It won't happen until there is a more liberal court to uphold such legislation, however. Personally, I don't believe corporations and unions are people with people rights, nor is money speech. I think a more liberal court would take that view, and redo CU to get unlimited dark money out of politics.

 

A lot of posters on this forum breath air, I'm told.

Got any other profound observations to offer this forum?

 

Well breathing air is bipartisan.

 

Normally true however none of these cases are normal.We have two civil cases one of a rape where the claimants case was lifted straight from an episode of her favorite tv show and corroborating evidence is nil and claimant is a nut case who has previously fantasized publicly about being raped and a brief glance at her front yard indicates that somewhere in there is someone doesn't have all of her oars in the water. And then there are those other judicial errors such as the judges refusal to permit the defense to present any exculpatory evidence.

The other is the rather novel attempt to prove fraud when no one lost a damn dime and in fact everyone involved made scandalous amounts, all on the basis of the idea that actual value and taxed value are identical which since proposition 8 is obvious bunkum.

 

Nikki Haley is the swamp so is Biden.

 

All those are talking points accumulated over 8 years. Not a one had to do with the swamp that possesses government and is entrenched in the current "lawfare" and weaponization of the DOJ.FBI, CIA, and IRS.

 

No, that again, is a response given from a point of view that is unique to you and you alone.

 

so you are speaking for 300 million other Americans now?

 

I believe our current form of government is the swamp all together.our entire system is garbage. We have poor people and homeless everywhere and I mean everywhere. While we let fat people get on welfare. We’re legalizing drugs while crime and is on the rise with no end in sight. I couldn’t afford to buy my own house at today’s prices and we somehow expect our kids to do better than us. All while our political elite is getting millions in payments from China. None of these pukes give two cares about any of us.

here’s a news flash for the ignorant!!! WE ARE LIVING IN THE SWAMP!!!!

 

Admitting that he lost is not in Trump's nature.

 

LOL, right.